Swords and D20's 3: The Demon and the Magus [Concluded]

[Centurion1]

EGO have certus secundum aliquantulus of reputo AA ut ego mos ex iam in compello vos imprimis tantum in Latin. EGO utor is. EGO innutum vos reperio quispiam ut reddo quoniam is mos persevero forever quod ego moris exsisto reddo vobis. ego puto ut CDF teneo latin. im certus is would appreciate meditor , ego teneo ego mos per meus AP probatur coming sursum.

[Double A]

Leggo my ego?

[Centurion1]

ego vere utor vos ignarus quis im sententia , per per quam vos effectus in universitas persona pm res CDF ego vere dont volo morior huic venatus.

[Double A]

ego vere utor vos ignarus quis im sententia , per per quam vos effectus in universitas persona pm res CDF ego vere dont volo morior huic venatus.

That's it, my first night order is "kill Cent" no matter what role I am.

[Centurion1]

*sniff*

vos couldnt iuguolo a lubricus of eu beef.

[Double A]

You're right, too greasy. I'd have to wash it off first.

Remember, we're using the Internet, and it's not even that hard to guess what you're saying...

[Centurion1]

tendo iterum heehee. meus magister would plaga vos namque bardus

Edit: dam thats actually not what i meant to say.

but it still works.

[Double A]

Without using a translator:

You think that's funny. You want to be a magic "zombie" bard.

[Centurion1]

eh no

servo trying

[Methos]

oh my god bloody dungeons and dragons talk.

for gods sake.......

Lol! Internet nerds making fun of other internet nerds!

[A Very Super Market]

CDF, I am in.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Alright, one person left

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

....... Please?

[Centurion1]

someone sign up now......

you want me to corral someone for you bud

[Askthepizzaguy]

Autolycus (From CivFanatics, and a good player) wants to join.

He's a junior member and just needs permission to join the gameroom; he will get it.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Perfect allow me a day to prepare things correctly and then I can start the games first day phase (which will be a bit long, as I am going on a short trip Friday-saturday.)

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Night 0

The town all gathered at dawn, the 2 corpses laid side by side in the streets. The Sorcerer was mostly untouched, his only wound a small poke in the neck, but the elf beside him...... Totally butchered.

Balthazar and the other elves stood off to the side, shocked and lost. A few snide comments came from the orcs, but on the whole they remained silent.... In fact for a long time Silence seemed to be the only thing in the town......

Finally Steve stood, face down cast.


"we have a problem everyone...... Demons have come to town. They killed this elf obviously, and we have to....."

Steve was cut off by Prawn " Bull this was a demon! We all know who killed Matheas!" Prawn's face contorted in rage, and from the rest of the elves came a murmured assent.


Steve looked flustered "calm down everyone.... We have to deal with this in a orderly fashion! A new friend of mine has a suggestion..... We need to find these demons. So each day we will all vote for one of us to be killed, thus rooting out the demons among us!"


Ragnar Laughed "excuse plot!"

Steve slapped his palm over his face.... "IS NOT! Just get voting!"



Alive: 17/17
White_eyes:D
Captain Blackadder
Yaropolk
Double A
Khazaar
johnhughthom
Askthepizzaguy
Centurion1
Thermal Mercury
Secura
Joooray
Renata
Methos
Atheotes
BanditDog
A very super market
Autolycus


Begin day 1: It will end Sunday Febuarary 28th, at about 9:00 PM EST (sorry for the long phase, but I have a short trip to go on. Plus you may need the time to get organized)



Extra little factoids about my Game:
Level of both attacker and Defender plays a role on whether a kill attempt succeeds
Any other questions just ask. In a bit of a rush, so excuse any mistakes in Roles or writeup, and just point them out to me.

[Captain Blackadder]

The savage bows down to idols of wood and stone, the civilized man to idols of flesh and blood we need to find the savage hidden in our group to see the demon spawn eridicated.

[autolycus]

I have arrived to set down roots here on the .org. Now let's get that demon! Or wait a round since we have nothing to go on. Is vote: no lynch legitimate in this game?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Good call. Vote: No Lynch could have saved us from losing the "unlikely pair" game. Same principle applies here seeing as there are usually an abundance of pro-town roles in CDF's games.

[Renata]

If we all just vote no-lynch off the bat we wind up twiddling our thumbs until Sunday night. Might as well be a night start. So vote: askthepizzaguy for promoting a policy that would waste an entire phase. Plus, anecdote is a favorite refuge of the mafia -- can't argue based on your ideas for this game, since they're not the same as the town's, so you refer to previous games that seem to support your point.

[Centurion1]

vote: renata. i dont like people who like first phase lynches. is a solid idea to not lynch someone phase one.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Plus, anecdote is a favorite refuge of the mafia

And I could give you several examples where I did that as town... oops! More anecdotes! RUN!!!

[Yaropolk]

Vote BanditDog lets get a few votes up on the board so people come out of the woodwork to start posting.

[Renata]

Yeah, you better run, demon boy. :)

I hate no lynch, despite there being times when it might be a useful option. I also hate relying on power roles to do our work for us.

If I ever run another game I'll probably allow no-lynch for every day BUT the first, just to be perverse.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yeah, you better run, demon boy. :)

I hate no lynch, despite there being times when it might be a useful option. I also hate relying on power roles to do our work for us.

If I ever run another game I'll probably allow no-lynch for every day BUT the first, just to be perverse.

Okay, personal preferences aside though, on later rounds there's usually more to work with than just random votes. On later rounds you have fewer suspects and more information, and your lynches are better. No Lynch is usually a terrible idea later on. Practically the only situation where No Lynch even works as a viable strategy is on round one, because it forces the mafia to do most of the killing, instead of helping them along with a bad first day lynch of our own.

As for not relying on power roles, that would be a welcome change. But that isn't the entire point; the point is, with No Lynch we guarantee that the detective, if any, is out there doing his or her job. The defender, if any, is out there doing his or her job. The roleblocker, if any, is out there doing his or her job. AND, there's a maximum number of potential candidates out there for them to hide in. In order for the mafia to make any progress here, they are the ones who must guess correctly. If they don't hit a detective or blocker or such, they've reduced the number of total suspects for them to hide in, and the town as a whole has gained much information.

Presuming the power roles can get that information out there before they die, they provide advantages where basic townies cannot. The No Lynch strategy puts maximum pressure on the mafia.

It's a bland as all heck strategy, but the reason it is employed at all in games is because there ARE certain situations where it is the superior strategy. Kind of like when there's one mafia remaining but there's 4 people in the game. You don't lynch, because your odds just became 1/2 of guessing correctly on the final lynch instead of 1/3. That's another situation where No Lynch makes any sense whatsoever.

Professor Pizzaguy has spoketh.

[Captain Blackadder]

vote no lynch

At this stage there is nothing to go one with and I prefer not to vote for people untill they have had a chance to post and see if the hit my scumdar.

[Secura]

I have arrived to set down roots here on the .org. Now let's get that demon! Or wait a round since we have nothing to go on. Is vote: no lynch legitimate in this game?

Welcome to the .Org! :3

As for voting, well I'd have to go for vote: no lynch. At this phase in the game, I'd rather not lynch someone innocent.

[Renata]

As for not relying on power roles, that would be a welcome change. But that isn't the entire point; the point is, with No Lynch we guarantee that the detective, if any, is out there doing his or her job. The defender, if any, is out there doing his or her job. The roleblocker, if any, is out there doing his or her job. AND, there's a maximum number of potential candidates out there for them to hide in. In order for the mafia to make any progress here, they are the ones who must guess correctly. If they don't hit a detective or blocker or such, they've reduced the number of total suspects for them to hide in, and the town as a whole has gained much information.

This is why I don't argue against first-day no-lynches all that strongly despite my preferences. There are advantages to it. What I do object to is going for no-lynch as policy, right off the bat, without apparently any intention to try to put the slightest amount of pressure on anyone.

Presuming the power roles can get that information out there before they die, they provide advantages where basic townies cannot. The No Lynch strategy puts maximum pressure on the mafia.

And this is just false. Mafia face no pressure whatsoever with an off-the-bat no-lynch promotion. They're not forced to defend their opinions, they don't have to decide whether to defend or back up or ignore accusations against their teammates, they don't have to do anything. They chuck in a no-lynch vote of their own at some point and spend the rest of the time plotting in their Quicktopic. It's the opposite of pressure. I don't think a marginally reduced likelihood of the mafia making a good kill outweighs that -- that's my bias in favor of public discussion and argument showing, right there.

And really that's the heart of my objection to your post, ATPG. Not so much the voting no-lynch on day one, because despite my preferences I think the advantages and disadvantages are probably too close to call. It's not that big a deal. But doing so right at the start of a 3-day phase, backing up and giving credence to someone who had already done so previously, and hence greatly increasing the probability that the rest of the players would follow right along -- that I don't like.

[Secura]

And really that's the heart of my objection to your post, ATPG. Not so much the voting no-lynch on day one, because despite my preferences I think the advantages and disadvantages are probably too close to call. It's not that big a deal. But doing so right at the start of a 3-day phase, backing up and giving credence to someone who had already done so previously, and hence greatly increasing the probability that the rest of the players would follow right along -- that I don't like.

Renata has a really strong point here; I don't advocate a misinformed lynch, because we could lose a vital pro-town role before they've had chance to do anything. However, at the same time I don't feel we're getting the most out of such a long day phase if our voting decision is defined by an arbitrary no lynch vote because it's the first day phase.

There are advantages and disadvantages to no lynch, and they warrant some discussion, at the very least.