Falklands

**ICantSpellDawg** · 02-27-2010, 16:05

You don't believe that this evolution is necessary? Europe needs to prop itself up strategically. Europe and North America as a loose confederation of states with a quasi-joint military - all doing their part - is a must have imho.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 02-28-2010, 15:05

Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff

You don't believe that this evolution is necessary? Europe needs to prop itself up strategically. Europe and North America as a loose confederation of states with a quasi-joint military - all doing their part - is a must have imho.

What's your point. The only country to have seriously threatened Britian in 100 years is Germany, and that is largely a result of us fighting them in the last war when (honestly) they weren't really a problem for us so.... no, I don't believe political union with Europe is necessary.

**Furunculus** · 02-28-2010, 15:46

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

What's your point. The only country to have seriously threatened Britian in 100 years is Germany, and that is largely a result of us fighting them in the last war when (honestly) they weren't really a problem for us so.... no, I don't believe political union with Europe is necessary.

kind of the point i have been trying to unsuccessfully hammer into various peoples heads for some time now: "we understand why the continent might be willing to go federalism, but Britain doesn't need it, and we certainly don't want it, but please by all means go right on ahead if that's what you want to do, just don't try and drag us into it."

to which i typically recieve mystified replies stating that Britain is no different to the continent, and bizarre threads like:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...-not-an-Island

**Cute Wolf** · 03-02-2010, 07:21

If there's going to be a war, I'll place $ 1000 bet on British Victory!

**Sigurd** · 03-02-2010, 10:56

The Brits are giving away territories?

Put us down for claims:
Shetland
Orkney
Caithness
Outer Hebrides
Isle of Man
Jorvik

Heck! as long as we are doing claims...
Iceland
Faeroe Islands
Jämtland
Herjedalen
Bohuslän
Dublin
Erik Raudes land ... eh let's just grab the entire Island (Greenland)
Vinland
Markland
Helluland

**Pannonian** · 03-02-2010, 11:13

Originally Posted by Sigurd

The Brits are giving away territories?

Put us down for claims:
Shetland
Orkney
Caithness
Outer Hebrides
Isle of Man
Jorvik

Don't you also have some claim to England?

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 03-02-2010, 11:41

Originally Posted by Wiki Heresy

However, Harold Godwinson was not prepared to give up his throne. At the Battle of Stamford Bridge, outside York, on 25 September 1066, Godwinson's forces met with Harald's. Godwinson's forces were heavily armed, heavily armoured, and heavily outnumbered Harald's. Although one of Harald's men single-handedly blocked the English from the bridge for some time, when he fell, Harold Godwinson's better armed and better equipped forces easily cut through Harald's. Harald was killed by an arrow through his eye. Earl Tostig was also killed.

LOL

**bobbin** · 03-02-2010, 14:49

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

What's your point. The only country to have seriously threatened Britian in 100 years is Germany, and that is largely a result of us fighting them in the last war when (honestly) they weren't really a problem for us

Thats a bit of an overstatement, for a long period of the war we were on the ropes, it was only with the start of war with the USSR that things started to change.

Re the Falklands: It's just a bunch of sabre rattling by an unpopular Argentine leader to distract from problems at home (again), if anything its Argentina that will lose out in the end, as they could have made a lot of money providing port facilities and equiment if anything was found.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 03-02-2010, 17:18

Originally Posted by bobbin

Thats a bit of an overstatement, for a long period of the war we were on the ropes, it was only with the start of war with the USSR that things started to change.

You misunderstand, the "last" war was WW1, where Britain provided huge resources to help defend France, take Britain out of the picture or haver her side with Germany (as is more historically logical) and WW1 turns out very differently.

**Pannonian** · 03-02-2010, 17:48

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

You misunderstand, the "last" war was WW1, where Britain provided huge resources to help defend France, take Britain out of the picture or haver her side with Germany (as is more historically logical) and WW1 turns out very differently.

After Versailles, we should have turned on the French, just to see which of the victors was best. It was an affront to tradition to join a war involving the French, and not fight the French at some point. We corrected that the next time round, as we demonstrated our superiority in North Africa and the near east. Pick a neutral ground, fight it out, and the winner gets bragging rights until the next time we go to war.

**Wishazu** · 03-02-2010, 18:55

Correct me if I'm wrong, and I probably am but I swear I remember my secondary school History teacher telling me that during the first world war, in strategic planning sessions etc. the British commanders still referred to the French as "The Enemy" i.e "Our 4 battalions will advance to face the Germans with The Enemy protecting our right flank"

**Louis VI the Fat** · 03-02-2010, 20:06

Originally Posted by Pannonian

After Versailles, we should have turned on the French, just to see which of the victors was best. It was an affront to tradition to join a war involving the French, and not fight the French at some point. We corrected that the next time round, as we demonstrated our superiority in North Africa and the near east. Pick a neutral ground, fight it out, and the winner gets bragging rights until the next time we go to war.

Aye, Mers-el-Kébir was a great show of British skill. Almost as good as the daring British naval raids on Hamburg and Bremen earlier that June.

=AP]You misunderstand, the "last" war was WW1, where Britain provided huge resources to help defend France, take Britain out of the picture or haver her side with Germany (as is more historically logical) and WW1 turns out very differently.

Erm, do you have any idea why the UK opposed Germany? Why the Entente cordiale came about?

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 03-02-2010, 20:30

Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

Erm, do you have any idea why the UK opposed Germany? Why the Entente cordiale came about?

Policy, but opposition to France should have been preferable. France was the other overseas power, and therefore Britain's main Imperial rival. Germany was interested in dominating the Continent which was something of relatively little interest to Britain. Also, Germany was a monarchy closely tied to Britain whilst France was a politically volatile and unstable historical enemy which was a Republic at the time, peddling such rot as Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity.