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    Quote Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus View Post
    But I am not saying it is guilty in that sense. And just what do you mean, 'guilt by association'? When you say that Obama is like Hitler because both shared one insignificant factor - speaking out against smoking, let us say - this is guilt by association. But when one disorder is nearly the same, neurologically, as the other, that is a valid comparison. You are acting like SFTS does sometimes with his favourite tactic of correlation=/=causation. Yes, both instances are fallacies, and yes, SFTS is at times correct, but you need to know how to apply both - throwing them and hoping it sticks is not a valid tactic.
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    You propurted that arranged marriges have a lower divorce rate than non arranged marriges because they were arranged.

    A quick bout of google-fu shows that is not the case and that social and cultural factors rule the roost when it comes to divorce.

    Then you point to some "study" where "professionals" have taken this into account. I have yet to see this study and think you are fudging the facts to fit with your stoic world view

    It is not a favorite tactic of mine you just seem to use the fallacy often.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    You propurted that arranged marriges have a lower divorce rate than non arranged marriges because they were arranged.

    A quick bout of google-fu shows that is not the case and that social and cultural factors rule the roost when it comes to divorce.

    Then you point to some "study" where "professionals" have taken this into account. I have yet to see this study and think you are fudging the facts to fit with your stoic world view

    It is not a favorite tactic of mine you just seem to use the fallacy often.
    No, that was one of the points where you correctly applied it, and I did say that you had both success and (IMO) failures in the usage of this tactic. My response was that the factor was already noted by the researchers. It is a blatantly obvious factor too. Instead, I was referencing to that thread on religion where you mis-applied the correlation-causation dilemma.

    Also, I already explained why the arranged marriages are more successful, even with the cultural factors aside. The inverse of why cohabitation makes the marriages more unsuccessful. You can re-read that point if you wish, and pick up a sociology/psychology book, where this is a common example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus View Post
    No, that was one of the points where you correctly applied it, and I did say that you had both success and (IMO) failures in the usage of this tactic. My response was that the factor was already noted by the researchers. It is a blatantly obvious factor too. Instead, I was referencing to that thread on religion where you mis-applied the correlation-causation dilemma.
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    Once again......Correlation /=/ Causation. Arranged marriges don't end in divorice because in many socities where they arrange marrige divorce is illegal or taboo.



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    Aww, come on, you cannot discount all of statistics in that manner. It does not work like this. You are no expert yourself, either, to have the authority to say whether there is a statistical fallacy here. Professionals already examined the study and found its conclusions satisfactory. Parroting the same phrase over and over stops working at a certain point - although I do admit you had a very valid point about divorce taboos causing faulty correlation - a point which was considered by the researchers as well. Arranged marriages work, and that is a sociology 101 fact, and not just a bunch of studies or obscure facts. The evidence is too overwhelming - mainly the statistics, which differ very significantly from the average society based on romantic love. I am aware of the taboo on divorce in those societies, but once again, if you read more carefully, the marriages are overall defined as more successful. Jesus, I should not even be arguing this. You are still in the Uni - go to your resident sociology/psychology professor and ask him.
    I think we differ on the usuage of the word correct
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    I think we differ on the usuage of the word correct

    Well am I wrong?

    You say I was correct even though you said I wasn't earlier.

    I want to know which one of these it is
    There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford

    My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.

    I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.

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    Isn't "The One" also a Jet Li film? About dimensions, and reality in a sort of highlander style twist?
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    Isn't "The One" also a Jet Li film? About dimensions, and reality in a sort of highlander style twist?
    Yes, though it was an abnormal film I think. I got a bit aroused during the fight scenes at least.

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    Gah, I will answer to-morrow - I am too sleepy to think clearly now, only read. That is what I get for staying up four nights in a row rediscovering the MiNO I once so passionately detested. I have no other time to play, period, so the night seemed the only choice. After four nights, the sleep deprivation finally began showing as the evening today set in (it is 22:00 local time)... Lucky for me I am a stranger to caffeine - I heard people using it find they are dependent on it in such circumstances.

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