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    Science has demonstrated that conciseness and intent effect outcome.

    We also know that life exists, it is found on this planet in extremes from undersea volcanic vents to frozen wastes.

    However, the mathematical odd of even the simplest life existing is so infinitely miniscule, anywhere in the universe, as to be deemed imposable.

    Yet we see the building blocks of life everywhere we look, even on other planets.

    Mathematically, the universe is hardly old enough to contain molecules...

    Is there a creative force at work in the universe?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fisherking View Post

    However, the mathematical odd of even the simplest life existing is so infinitely miniscule, anywhere in the universe, as to be deemed imposable.
    Data points of known life is 1. Thus it's impossible to draw any mathematical conclusions, since some of the starting defintions are unknown. For example, the number of stars in known universe is about 10^20. We're uncertain about the full existance of life (Europa, Mars etc.) for 1 system.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisherking View Post
    Yet we see the building blocks of life everywhere we look, even on other planets.

    Mathematically, the universe is hardly old enough to contain molecules...
    Molecules formes pretty much by default as long as you have activation energy and a high enough atom concentration, so I'm not sure on what math you're refering to.

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    Is there a creative force at work in the universe?
    Indeed, we trapped in an advanced sim that's been running since the beginning of universe. Or not. Simply put, if this creator only affected the starting conditions, the question becomes mostly irrelevant, since it cannot be determined from inside the system. If it's a more active process, then science can never describe it, since it's a breaking of the initial rules. That's one way to give proof of a creator.

    So, not only does God play dice, he can hide in them.

    To add my personal opinion: The question is irrelevant, since it won't be given an answer.
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    We are part of EA's new game, Sims 5. You only think you are alive, when you are really a computer simulation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    We are part of EA's new game, Sims 5. You only think you are alive, when you are really a computer simulation.
    Aren't you plagiarising Douglas Adams there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alh_p View Post
    Aren't you plagiarising Douglas Adams there?
    No, the Matrix.

    Douglas Adams would be that we were created as a giant living thinking computer paid for by Mice to discover the answer of life, the universe and everything in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    No, the Matrix.

    Douglas Adams would be that we were created as a giant living thinking computer paid for by Mice to discover the answer of life, the universe and everything in it.
    No, we were created to discover the Question.

    Which I, personally, think is genius.
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    Fred Hoyle postulated that the likelihood of life in the universe is near that of a tornado passing through a junkyard and assembling a 747.

    Albert Einstein gave it a better chance. He said it was as likely as taking apart a watch, putting the pieces in a box, shaking it and removing the assembled watch.

    Both of these famous men of science believed there was a greater force at work in the universe.

    The more advanced science uncovers, the more it seems to point to some guiding force in the universe.

    Put another way, the more we know the more physics and metaphysics seem to be linked.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fisherking View Post
    Fred Hoyle postulated that the likelihood of life in the universe is near that of a tornado passing through a junkyard and assembling a 747.
    Also called Hoyle's fallacy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoyle%27s_fallacy

    Albert Einstein gave it a better chance. He said it was as likely as taking apart a watch, putting the pieces in a box, shaking it and removing the assembled watch.
    He was not a biologist was he? Would he have had same opinion today, with 429 extrasolar planets discovered so far?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    We are part of EA's new game, Sims 5. You only think you are alive, when you are really a computer simulation.
    I think the person controlling me is a five year old.
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