Warmonger

[Valion]

If my General Ever gets this trait and the Sated Warmonger will he able to go back to governing cities well and gain administrative traits? Or is there a way to avoid getting this trait with my Generals or is it inevitable when they are constantly battling?

[Arjos]

I had a sated one going back to being restless, so maybe you'll have to keep him fighting...

[Valion]

I got around it by reloading the game and doing the battle over again! :D
I just don't like the trait and seriously after only 4 battles in 7 years my FM gets the warmonger trait While Scipio who is rampaging the Makedonions destroying 4 full stacks seems to be immune to it Lol

[Olaf The Great]

The Supervisor trait is more annoying, imo. I had several governors in small settlements get it and they constantly complained about being in too small a city.

[Valion]

The Supervisor trait is more annoying, imo. I had several governors in small settlements get it and they constantly complained about being in too small a city.

I dont think that'l be a prolblem in my case since in my Romani Campaign i made it a rule that FM's Can only Govern Cities in Mainland Italy or Homeland Provinces which by the time they get the supervisor trait all cities would be fairly Large if not Huge. The Only Exeption being Major Foreign Cities like Athens, Carthage, Alexandria etc which will be Governed Directly by my a FM :p

[Titus Marcellus Scato]

I had a sated one going back to being restless, so maybe you'll have to keep him fighting...

Killing is like sex....you can be sated for a while, but inevitably you'll want more later! ;)

[Duguntz]

Killing is like sex....you can be sated for a while...

We can?

anyway who wants to get rid of warmonger? it's only mean your general isn't a

[Titus Marcellus Scato]

We can?

Well, men can, they need time to reload their weapon after all. Women, however, can be insatiable....

[Luis Sera]

please dont tell that to my missus, shes like a rabbit sometimes...
anyway, back on topic...warmonger is a good trait to give to a general who would be in the thick of fighting. Problem i have with it was i had a general get that trait who was fighting defensive battles all the time. Hardly a warmonger!

[Ca Putt]

you could roleplay him Warmongering a bit on his own, he could launch a small offensive and try to burn down the enemies barracks:
if he conquers something you give him a better army as a "reward"
if he fails punish him by letting him toil as Rebel hunter(until he gets sated)
if he gets sated before he conquers anything well he can still blow it all off and you strip him of some offensive units and maybe ridd him of an ancillary. now he can continue his original job :) ... for a while ;)

unless he commands the Cyrenian garrison consisting of Toxotai, Sphendotai and haploi^^(or any other settlement/army that denies him raiding neighboring provinces)

[Julianus]

I got around it by reloading the game and doing the battle over again! :D
I just don't like the trait and seriously after only 4 battles in 7 years my FM gets the warmonger trait While Scipio who is rampaging the Makedonions destroying 4 full stacks seems to be immune to it Lol

4 battles in 7 years is not that few as it seems, if they're large enough. Richard the Lionheart only fought 4 major pitched battles in his whole life, and Philip Augustus only 1. Not that I did the counting myself, but I forget from which book I read this.

[Valion]

4 battles in 7 years is not that few than it seems, if they're large enough. Richard the Lionheart only fought 4 major pitched battles in his whole life, and Philip Augustus only 1. Not that I did the counting myself, but I forget from which book I read this.

I should have been more specific then, none of those battles were Large! Far from it! 2 were against Rebells numbering less than 500 in both engagement and the other 2 was against the Averni numbering 800 and 500.

[Ludens]

Although I don't know the triggers for the warmonger trait, they probably are dependent on the primary personality traits. An energetic, selfish character is more likely to enjoy war than an indolent but selfless one. Also, remember that you can only see the broad trends of these traits on the character scroll. There are actually six levels for each of the six personality traits.

Also, locker-room talk aside, most people have strong inhibitions against killing another human being. I can't give you a source, but I read that research from the WW2 showed that, in an average unit, most enemy casualties were the work of just 10% of the men. They were the ones that were actively trying to kill their opponents. The remaining 90% would kill when they or their mates were under direct threat, but otherwise fire blindly and avoid lethal confrontation.

[Titus Marcellus Scato]

Also, locker-room talk aside, most people have strong inhibitions against killing another human being. I can't give you a source, but I read that research from the WW2 showed that, in an average unit, most enemy casualties were the work of just 10% of the men. They were the ones that were actively trying to kill their opponents. The remaining 90% would kill when they or their mates were under direct threat, but otherwise fire blindly and avoid lethal confrontation.

How did the researchers statistically tell the difference between men who were shooting and missed because they didn't want to kill anyone, and those who fired for all they were worth in their attempts to kill the enemy, but failed to kill anyone because they were such bad shots they couldn't hit the side of a barn at six paces? I think the latter would be far greater in number than the former, personally.

[Ludens]

Fair point, but I doubt the researchers stood with a clipboard and a telescope next to the shooting soldiers. More likely it was based on assessment by officers; but then too there is a certain level of subjectivity. I wish I could remember where I got it from.

[Valion]

I have a question regarding a "Sated Warmonger" if i decide to let that FM have a rest and go back to governing a City in Italy how long then does he usually get the restless warmonger? a couple of years? turns? immediately? :p

[Andy1984]

If memory serves me right: ca. 5 turns, maybe a bit longer. I guess it also depends on luck or on the characteristics, but I'm not sure. Put him outside the city once in a while if he gets the restless-warmonger-trait.

[Valion]

So roughly a year? the reason i asked is becaue i'd like my FM to max his Management getting him a double 10 if i can but the problem is all bordering cities are type IV goverments and Italy is just too far haha!

[Badass Buddha]

Fair point, but I doubt the researchers stood with a clipboard and a telescope next to the shooting soldiers. More likely it was based on assessment by officers; but then too there is a certain level of subjectivity. I wish I could remember where I got it from.

Was the book On Killing by Dave Grossman? If I remember correctly, the statistics came from interviews with soldiers after the war.

[Ludens]

Was the book On Killing by Dave Grossman? If I remember correctly, the statistics came from interviews with soldiers after the war.

No, but since I didn't get it from the primary paper it could very well be the source.