Can We Safley Say
That "progressive" is the new Nazi/Commie/Hippie/Libreal buzzword in America.
All progresivess of the world from all walks of life and all sands of time have had one goal.
To take your gun, take your bible, and turn America into Eourpe...only more bankrupt!
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My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
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... The point of the thread being?
I thought such closed-ended jokes work only when inserted into an existing thread?
Last edited by Aemilius Paulus; 03-02-2010 at 22:36.
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Im trying to build a consensusOriginally Posted by Aemilius Paulus
... The point of the thread being?
I thought such closed-ended jokes work only when inserted into an existing thread?
There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
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Gah, now I am too disoriented to concentrate on anything
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No.
'Progressive' will not be a lasting term. The unwashed Conservative masses will find it too difficult to spell.
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What is the opposite of Progress? Exactly. So anyone who hates progress auto-loses.
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Regress, I think. But that assumes a false dilemma between progress and its opposite. We could always just stagnate. Of course, progress itself isn't the best defined. What are we moving toward? Greater equality? Greater freedom? Greater standard of living? Greater social justice? Greater wealth? Greater control over nature? Greater harmony with nature? Depending on your goal, progress can mean just about anything.
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Can any of you British Orgahs convince your government to invade us again? American independence was a neat idea but I don't think we were quite ready for it.
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Humor....You don't get it
There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
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I'm well aware you were kidding. I would hope you'd realize that I was too.
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ToucheI'm well aware you were kidding. I would hope you'd realize that I was too.
There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
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I, for one, thought that was a splendid idea. I just hope Cameron will have enough grace to keep Obama. After all, the GOP here is closer to BNP than the Tories...I would hope you'd realize that I was too.
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watch out your frenchman is showing.No.
'Progressive' will not be a lasting term. The unwashed Conservative masses will find it too difficult to spell.
i for one am still hoping for a peoples revolution. i want my own stalin.I, for one, thought that was a splendid idea. I just hope Cameron will have enough grace to keep Obama. After all, the GOP here is closer to BNP than the Tories...
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Did you expect the Left's rebranding efforts to go unmentioned?
What is interesting is how toxic "liberal" has become. Even people with liberal views often do not wish to be labeled as such. So, much like how Global Warming became Climate Change, liberals are now progressives. Beskar highlighted the thinking behind this shift perfectly... who wants to stand against progress? And Ajaxfish highlighted the fallacies of that thinking perfectly... one man's progress is another man's regress.
"Conservative", on the other hand, has suffered no such problem. When the Left seeks to draw a box around an opponent, they usually go the "right-wing" route. Even many democratic voters identify with conservatism. The Left will blame this on talk radio, but I blame it on Reagan. :P
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I blame everything on Reagan. :D
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I KNEW it! I just knew that suave ******* had his mitts all over the Thirty Years War. Just his kinda thing.
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I can safely say that in personal and business dealings, if someone says they are "conservative," I ask immediately what they mean by that, since the term, as used by 99.999% of people, is meaningless.
As for "progressive," it's just going through a rough patch due to Glenn Beck flogging it five hours a day on radio and teevee.
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In my experience the people who call themselves progressives are deeply conservative, they just want to keep sitting where they are and want as little change as possible, they are relics from the seventies who lost all capacity for independent thought.
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In American Politics there is only one label that fits.
And it fits both sides pretty well.
That is anal-retentive.
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I thought the new buzz word was Retard
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Did anyone notice how self-proclaimed liberals are to the right of Progressives in most cases? Or they are simply moderates masquerading as left-wingers in order to make it appear they are rebelling against the anti-Conservative lines of thought? Just something I have picked up from American politics.
Woah massive deja vu, including having deja vu of having deja vu of having deja vu... I need to drink less (I also remember typing that... Oh man, this is weird)... okay it is over now.
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Insert spirited protests regarding the usage of the word Nazi and libreal in the same breath. Insert assertion that all progresivess being united is a flawed premise. Wonders which Bible was taken away, where, and by whom. Wonders why guns and Bibles go hand in hand in the first place. Notes that there wasn't any reference to teh gayness. Have we lost touch with true conservative valyoos? Say it ain't sew, Strike. Say it ain't sew.
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in some ways nazis were liberal. No in any way morally or socially but in matters of economics it could be a stretch.
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economically liberal?
Given how liberal when applied to economics could mean anything... from the freest of markets to the most progressive of socialist systems. Surely we aren't confusing German "national socialism" with actual socialist ideas? There's also a difference between liberal and socialist. Liberal itself is one of those words that gets tossed around quite, as some would say, liberally.
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true but one of the pillars of the facist nazi government was the creation of a form of welfare state that would make devotion to the government more doable. Doesn't mean they were successful.economically liberal?
Given how liberal when applied to economics could mean anything... from the freest of markets to the most progressive of socialist systems. Surely we aren't confusing German "national socialism" with actual socialist ideas? There's also a difference between liberal and socialist. Liberal itself is one of those words that gets tossed around quite, as some would say, liberally.
And yes Liberal is a very thrown around word. And it can represent many different political beliefs
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We have had countless threads about this. Please don't turn this into another one, if only for the sake of my lingering sanity.
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sure. im done.We have had countless threads about this. Please don't turn this into another one, if only for the sake of my lingering sanity.
i think the new buzzword in American politics is teaparty.
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Most certainly not.After all, the GOP here is closer to BNP than the Tories...
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I also find it noteworthy how different Europeans and Americans see the term "socialism".
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I find it noteworthy how many Americans see the word "socialism" differently from other Americans.
I am sorry to say this but political language is beyond the comprehension of about half the Americans I've met, and it's something that many insist on using when they don't understand what things mean. Especially when it involves big concepts like economics or taxation. And to be fair, that's from all sides of the political spectrum.
Debate and intelligent discourse is impossible when we speak the same language, but don't understand it, or have different definitions for the same words.
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