The Shadow Fort [Concluded]

[Beefy187]

Next years HoF should totally have "the best buddies" award.
pever x Reenk couple should be nominated. I think they are so cute.

[pevergreen]

Cute?

[Kagemusha]

Alright, this charade has gone on long enough; you can remove your votes from Sigurd and place them on me, or simply unvote, or whatever you see fit.

I should start by saying that I think the reasoning behind the voting is alot weaker than I expected it to be; I had hoped that I would be able to go out with a bit more than "QQ she saved her friend!", but what the hey, it can't always be perfect.

Beskar informed me that he is a simple townie role, and I told him what I was able to do at night; form a four-man group for protection or killing purposes. This was only a half-truth; he believed me to be a soldier, when I am actually the Turkish Spymaster; I knew he was innocent and maintained as such because I know he's not one of my spies. I might have recruited him, but his little trap that he utilised drew too much attention and I had to cancel that plan.

Speaking of myself and my spies, we discovered what appeared to be a minor loophole in the game setup; if I die, my two original spies inherit both of my night abilities. We anticipated that I might be the target of a vigilante attack, but it would have taken a sizeable group to actually kill me, so we decided to press for a lynch instead; much easier to get lynched than to get really unlucky on a die roll at night.

Which leads us to this Day Phase, whereby you were all debating so heavily over whether myself or Sigurd were guilty; it was a win-win situation, because either a pro-town role was going to die or my underlings were going to get stronger. Alas, I cannot really advocate you guys killing Sigurd when I know he's innocent and can still be of use, so I was never really going to vote for him.

Anyway, you are left with multiple spies who are able to kill, investigate or recruit without having to pair up and assist one another. Factor in those that we have already recruited... well, let's just say that we're in a better position with me dead than alive, so I made the logical sacrifice for the rest of my team.

That notion held by Kagemusha, that the mafia is going to be rapidly expanding... bear it in mind. The town becomes easier to convert as the game progresses. Thanks alot. :P

Ok. It seems the good ole curse is somewhat functional.You mafia should know better then to lynch poor old Kage. This puts Beskar in certain light also. As if he can be recruited by mafia it is quite the fact he has been done so by Secura. Also the last couple pages show that there are very much "holy cows" in the gameroom. We have Sasaki getting caught on a successful single attack during the night. My thoughts : instant vig killing of Sasaki. In couple days then we will know more.

So in my book Secura should hang, while naughty Beskie and Sasaki should taste the blade.

[Diamondeye]

Sasaki killed Chaotix!!!
He is the one who should be lynched this round.

I know this is irrelevant after Secura's "reveal" but this actually makes my opinion of Sasaki slightly better. Chaotix was behaving rather scummy.

You think Secura is pro-town?

I was wondering who leaked that info to you. Renata is the only person I can think of although she undoubtedly told others for some reason.

We had a group of 4 to kill Chaotix, but CDF's inbox was full so I killed him myself.

As I said; good job. Also; I think it's now clear that Secura is mafia (although her fluff text is awesome WIFOM so anyone she implies might or might not be); unvote: Sigurd, vote: Secura.

I think Sasaki is guilty Vig-killing....is he guilty of being Mafia?(Sigurd seems to have left that part out)

I'm actually not hot on that anymore; Sasaki seems to be in the clear - for now. All authority should be questioned.

Secura is the obvious lynch at this point. 873 and 881 are her response to this kerfluffle.

Cent is super scummy as well. He is just so pleased with this whole business, in a "mafia sitting back and smirking" kind of way.

I agree. Let me change my FoS to a HoS: Cent

Yes.. Yes it is. And I (think) i'm in complete control of the game.

That's brilliant ;)

This man speaks the truth. I know from experience.

How come you suddenly leaped into activity? threat of lurkerkillings mounting up?
Anyway, while your post do seem a bit absolutist, it's better than lurking. But I'm keeping an eye on you (like I'm not doing that to the rest of the people in the game :P )

[Kagemusha]

I know this is irrelevant after Secura's "reveal" but this actually makes my opinion of Sasaki slightly better. Chaotix was behaving rather scummy.

How does successfully killing someone alone make Sasaki look innocent? Its rather the opposite. Would he be a pro town role he would have instantly revealed himself and from there could have been protected by the town. By not doing so he is essentially making himself look guilty as hell and should be dispatched as soon as possible by vig kill. For you to try and protect him puts you to very odd light also.

[Scienter]

Just for reference:



Hmm Scienter.

I was trying to figure out if Secura was another woman.

[TinCow]

Interesting situation. If she's lying, it's obviously to protect Sigurd, so Sigurd should be lynched. If she's telling the truth, the mafia will get stronger when she's dead. I say lynch Sigurd and test Secura's claim to be difficult to kill with a vig hit. If she's still alive tomorrow, lynch her then.

Oh, and Sasaki still has to die as well.

[Kagemusha]

Interesting situation. If she's lying, it's obviously to protect Sigurd, so Sigurd should be lynched. If she's telling the truth, the mafia will get stronger when she's dead. I say lynch Sigurd and test Secura's claim to be difficult to kill with a vig hit. If she's still alive tomorrow, lynch her then.

Oh, and Sasaki still has to die as well.

I would say its more like that she is trying to buy herself time with all that nonsense. Clearly she is not the leader of the spies, but she is trying to protect who ever is by claiming that. I would look carefully into Beskar and Aheotes as well. It could be that we witnessed the first round ambitious mafia play going terribly wrong, by the stunt they pulled off at the start.

[TinCow]

I would say its more like that she is trying to buy herself time with all that nonsense. Clearly she is not the leader of the spies, but she is trying to protect who ever is by claiming that.

In which case Sigurd should still be the choice, as he is the only person who benefitted from her post.

[Kagemusha]

In which case Sigurd should still be the choice, as he is the only person who benefitted from her post.

Could be. dispatching Sigurd next night wouldnt be half as bad move in my opinion. About Secura id stick the votes on her, because in the past when such vote wagons have been turned. Many times things have gone terribly wrong.

[atheotes]

Vote: Secura

why did Sigurd sit on the info till he was getting a runaway lead in votes? I am not sure why Sigurd is being considered pro-town...did i miss something?
I am not convinced Sasaki is protown... not sure if he should be killed right away etiher... and Renata has not corroborated his story yet... it is important because it could tell us about the source of Sigurd's information...
May be Sasaki should be tied down in protection duty for one night and we can see a mafia kill writeup. Actually the more i think about it, the more i feel that vig killing him is probably our best option unless we have some solid reasoning..Gah! i am confused...

[Diamondeye]

How does successfully killing someone alone make Sasaki look innocent? Its rather the opposite. Would he be a pro town role he would have instantly revealed himself and from there could have been protected by the town. By not doing so he is essentially making himself look guilty as hell and should be dispatched as soon as possible by vig kill. For you to try and protect him puts you to very odd light also.

I never said it made him look innocent. I said it raised my opinion of him. I agree that he's still very suspectible (hence why I kept my expression to show my appreciation for his actions, not himself, and even then only a little) and should probably be investigated or attacked. But remember, from his own claim, he's a Warrior (and that seems to work well with the solo kill). If he is pro-town we're commiting a serious mistake in killing him.

Oh and it'd obviously take some skilled killers to dispatch him as well, so we should probably lynch him if anything.

[Subotan]

Sigurd is being considered pro-town because he was lurking terribly, and now he isn't. Which is obviously akin to a cop investigation.
I wouldn't be surprised if Secura has some nasty surprise in for the person who votes for her last, given her eagerness to swing. I'm also convinved by Tincow (lol), that as Sigurd is the one who has benefitted most from Secura's statement, that there is certainly something going on. Beskar also benefits, but he's less likely to be lynched at this moment in time.

[Sigurd]

I am not sure what the tally is... I am sorry I have to do this, Secura.
unvote, vote: Secura

[Kagemusha]

I am not sure what the tally is... I am sorry I have to do this, Secura.
unvote, vote: Secura

Why are you sorry to Secura who has confessed being mafia?

[Beskar]

At least the town knows who they are. Secura otoh remains an unknown quantity who we know nothing about. I think we should get rid of her.

A nice way to treat new players.

[Beskar]

As I just read the part Secura was evil.

Unvote ; Vote: Secura

Though, very bad move on your part Secura, you shouldn't have revealed if you was Mafia. On the plus side, you given us a big advantage in revealing.

[autolycus]

Given the confession, unvote, vote: Secura

[Diamondeye]

As I just read the part Secura was evil.

Unvote ; Vote: Secura

Though, very bad move on your part Secura, you shouldn't have revealed if you was Mafia. On the plus side, you given us a big advantage in revealing.

Specify 'us', Beskar; I've been very gullible to you and Secura thus far and I'm not going to continue that way now that Secura's messed up.

Are you admitting to being on Securas team?

[Beskar]

Interesting situation. If she's lying, it's obviously to protect Sigurd, so Sigurd should be lynched. If she's telling the truth, the mafia will get stronger when she's dead. I say lynch Sigurd and test Secura's claim to be difficult to kill with a vig hit. If she's still alive tomorrow, lynch her then.

Oh, and Sasaki still has to die as well.

In which case Sigurd should still be the choice, as he is the only person who benefitted from her post.

I suggest we lynch Secura and vig-kill Sigurd.

Afterall, if what Secura says is true, another person not part of their faction will die (and there are all sorts of factions about) so having an extra night kill might be benefitial to the town. Even then, Sigurd might use it against me, while I am a townie, there are a few people who want me dead anyway. So pretty win-win.

Specify 'us', Beskar; I've been very gullible to you and Secura thus far and I'm not going to continue that way now that Secura's messed up.

Are you admitting to being on Securas team?

No, us = the town. I am far too smart than to say anything else anyway and unlike some people, I plan for phases far in advance, not phase-by-phase. So don't pick at imaginary errors. Also, don't stick me with Secura, only contact I had with Secura was a brief chat. I have people who are an alibi to my night actions.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I was trying to figure out if Secura was another woman.

I don't believe you. Before you said you couldn't figure out the Secura RL friends thing, are you sure that isn't why you were checking her profile?

Interesting situation. If she's lying, it's obviously to protect Sigurd, so Sigurd should be lynched. If she's telling the truth, the mafia will get stronger when she's dead. I say lynch Sigurd and test Secura's claim to be difficult to kill with a vig hit. If she's still alive tomorrow, lynch her then.

Oh, and Sasaki still has to die as well.

...

Instead of lynching mafia, we should lynch someone else based on her wifom, and test her claim about being hard to kill (thus possibly losing a few townies in the process) and in addition we should vig what looks like a pro town role, for no given reason.

[Beskar]

Interesting situation. If she's lying, it's obviously to protect Sigurd, so Sigurd should be lynched. If she's telling the truth, the mafia will get stronger when she's dead. I say lynch Sigurd and test Secura's claim to be difficult to kill with a vig hit. If she's still alive tomorrow, lynch her then.

Oh, and Sasaki still has to die as well.

Instead of lynching mafia, we should lynch someone else based on her wifom, and test her claim about being hard to kill (thus possibly losing a few townies in the process) and in addition we should vig what looks like a pro town role, for no given reason.

Secura most likely WIFOM'd to get people to kill Sigurd and not theirself anyway.


In otherwords, TinCow is a plant or he was hook-line-and-sinkered. Which is it, my metallic beefy friend?

[TinCow]

Fair enough, the reasoning on Secura being more difficult to kill than Sigurd is decent.

Unvote; Vote: Secura

Oh, and Sasaki still has to die as well.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Oh, and Sasaki still has to die as well.

A SHIPOWNER was about to send to sea an emigrant-ship. He knew that she was old, and not over-well built at the first; that she had seen many seas and climes, and often had needed repairs. Doubts had been suggested to him that possibly she was not seaworthy. These doubts preyed upon his mind and made him unhappy; he thought that perhaps he ought to have her thoroughly overhauled and refitted, even though this should put him to great expense. Before the ship sailed, however, he succeeded in overcoming these melancholy reflections. He said to himself that she had gone safely through so many voyages and weathered so many storms that it was idle to suppose she would not come safely home from this trip also. He would put his trust in Providence, which could hardly fail to protect all these unhappy families that were leaving their fatherland to seek for better times elsewhere. He would dismiss from his mind all ungenerous suspicions about the honesty of builders and contractors. In such ways he acquired a sincere and comfortable conviction that his vessel was thoroughly safe and seaworthy; he watched her departure with a light heart, and benevolent wishes for the success of the exiles in their strange new home that was to be; and he got his insurance-money when she went down in mid-ocean and told no tales.
What shall we say of him? Surely this, that he was verily guilty of the death of those men. It is admitted that he did sincerely believe in the soundness of his ship; but the sincerity of his conviction can in no wise help him, because he had no right to believe on such evidence as was before him. He had acquired his belief not by honestly earning it in patient investigation, but by stifling his doubts. And although in the end he may have felt so sure about it that he could not think otherwise, yet inasmuch as he had knowingly and willingly worked himself into that frame of mind, he must be held responsible for it.

[Yaropolk]

Moral of the story: ALWAYS carry flood insurance.

[Beskar]

Moral of the story: ALWAYS carry flood insurance.

Amen.

[Secura]

As if he can be recruited by mafia it is quite the fact he has been done so by Secura.

Wrong.

I would look carefully into Beskar and Aheotes as well.

Totally barking up the wrong tree.

I wouldn't be surprised if Secura has some nasty surprise in for the person who votes for her last, given her eagerness to swing.

I am not sure what the tally is... I am sorry I have to do this, Secura.
unvote, vote: Secura

Don't worry about it.

now that Secura's messed up.

Hahahahahahaha, you're a pretty funny one, DE. I haven't done anything of the sort.

Secura most likely WIFOM'd to get people to kill Sigurd and not theirself anyway.

Wrong.

[Renata]

I can corroborate Sasaki's claim about his solo-kill of Chaotix; it all happened as he's stated it.

unvote, vote Secura

[Sigurd]

I have done a tally without the support of any of the previous tallies. It was difficult as it involved many posts and votes lodged in the middle of posts.
It would be easier for a tallier if people put their votes at the bottom of their posts on a new and separate line from their main post (yes that includes you too Sigurd).

Tally:

Secura: 17 (ATPG, atheotes, autolycus, Beskar, Capt B, Cent1, Csargo, Diamondeye, Reenk, Renata, Sasaki, Sigurd, TheFlax, TinCow, White_e:D, Yaropolk, Yaseikhaan)
Sigurd: 6 (Beefy, pever, Psychonaut, Scienter, Seon, Subotan)

ATPG: 1 (Methos)
autolycus: 1 (ACIN)
Beskar: 1 (GH)
Csargo: 1 (Thermal)
Diamondeye: 1 (Winston)
pever: 1 (Jolt)
Reenk Roink: 1 (Ibn)
TheFlax: 1 (Myrddraal)
Thermal Mercury: 1 (Double A)

not voting: 6 (CDF, johnhugh, Joooray, Secura, slashandburn, spL1t)

edit: included Renata's last vote.

[Kagemusha]

Wrong.



Totally barking up the wrong tree.

Like anything you say would have any kind of credibility left.

The remaining mafia can be quite possibly from this crowd voting Secura : ATPG, atheotes, autolycus, Beskar, Capt B, Cent1, Csargo, Diamondeye, Reenk, Renata, Sasaki, Sigurd, TheFlax, TinCow, White_e:D, Yaropolk, Yaseikhaan

Also strangely when killing lurkers was brought up we only have 6 players not voting anymore.