Finally I knew the exact cause of Heroic Victory - tends to CTD cause!!!

**Cute Wolf** · 02-23-2010, 05:54

Well this wasn't in EB at all (it was on the middle earth btw...), but I hope this thread help everyone who get the heroic victory CTD and get really annoyed with it :)

The CTD is often caused by a units that manually withdrawn by the AI but doesn't lost their banners after running through the red line.... (YES, the haradrim on this pics is left the field... but still have the banner on and not routing)

Look at these pics...
I guess that was the very same cause of EB heroic victory CTD, as higher morale found on EB, as the computer AI start to cooling themself down after routing, they start to withdrawn in order, and after crossing the red line, they didn't lost their banner... and what's more weird, the battle isn't over yet... even when allready no more enemies inside the red line.... everytime that things hapened, CTD occurs after the victory screenies...

I have enough evidence of this on EB too... and when I got that again, I'll sure to post the screenshot here... too bad, the time I was aware that i was going to get a CTD again is when I play on middle earth

**bobbin** · 02-23-2010, 14:24

Not too sure about this, I'm almost certain I have had the CTD after battles where I've killed every last enemy, also the reason the enemy unit's banner has not gone away is because there are soldiers still on the field usually stuck in trees.
You can see this in your second photo where there is a cavalryman stuck against a tree, try zooming in to the highest minimap level and you'll spot them.

**Cute Wolf** · 02-24-2010, 09:00

Yeah... stuck on trees... and when I killed him.... that banner is not yet vanished (waiting for the horsemen of the harnen entirely dissapear from my map), and everytime I spot banner out of red line... every same time I got CTD....

maybe we should do something to made the units less like to be tangled inside the trees? Reduce their mount radius?

**XSamatan** · 02-24-2010, 12:45

I doubt your reason for CTD's is liable for ALL heroic-victory CTD's, as people are reporting these CTD's even if they kill every men on the battlefield before he reaches the red line (on bridge battles, sieges, chain-rout,...). That parts of units stay on battlefield, due to pathfinding issues while the rest is routing, happens to me too, but the banners disappear as soon as I kill the remaining troops on the battlefield, and I get no CTD.

maybe we should do something to made the units less like to be tangled inside the trees? Reduce their mount radius?

This would lead to other problems, charge would not work properly, soldiers would merge together.

This sort of CTD is somewhat new to me, never experienced it, so could you just follow your trace (and perhaps post more screenies?)?
On what exe are you playing?

XSamatan

**Cute Wolf** · 02-25-2010, 18:48

BI.exe.... well, I almost always got a CTD when I see unit runs outside the red line, and their banner didn't dissapear.... but most of the time, the banner will dissapear correctly... (the banner didn't dissapear are usually found when a crack morale units decide to stop routing but continue withdrawing....)

**XSamatan** · 02-25-2010, 19:07

OK, this seems to be a RTW bug, as you saw it on two mods...I really don't know if there can be done everything. Checking the map for units kept in obstacles could be one way, don't know if this is manageable.

XSamatan