manliness question

[Kagemusha]

I said Class and Restraint Frag, not that you weren't joking.

Well too much restraint can be bit boring according to some. Nothing wrong with a small sparkle in a eye.Nothing disrespectful in that.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Just lay off us Brits! :P

B...but, but I think it a good thing British women are liberated.

Not in the sense of that whole 'playa/ho' thing, or chavettes, or 'my teenager life must resemble a R&B music video'.

But mature women, secure of themselves, who know what they want - yeah.


I think Britain is sexually more healthy than France. More promiscuous too, which is good.

[jabarto]

Just so we're clear... this was a joke too. :P

I love France really; the language, patisseries, the Eiffel Tower, escargot, Clemenceau... I love everything about them! xD

Just lay off us Brits! :P

If it makes you feel any better I think Britain has one of the richest histories of any region in the world.

[Secura]

If it makes you feel any better I think Britain has one of the richest histories of any region in the world.

Yeah, that we do.

And that counts for something, right? xD

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

B...but, but I think it a good thing British women are liberated.

Not in the sense of that whole 'playa/ho' thing, or chavettes, or 'my teenager life must resemble a R&B music video'.

But mature women, secure of themselves, who know what they want - yeah.


I think Britain is sexually more healthy than France. More promiscuous too, which is good.

British women are more promiscuous?

[Secura]

British women can be more promiscuous.

There, fixed it! :P

[Louis VI the Fat]

British women are/can be more promiscuous

Aye.

The days of 'no sex please, we're British' are well and truly behind us. The British are now the most promiscuous of all industrial nations. And British women even more so than men. (I do wonder how that works. Lesbianism? Foreign men () ?)
But probably what's meant is that a greater number of women have a promiscuous lifestyle than men. That is, there a few Kadagar Ubermen who do all the work.

BRITISH men and women are now the most promiscuous of any big western industrial nation, researchers have found.



In an international index measuring one-night stands, total numbers of partners and attitudes to casual sex, Britain comes out ahead of Australia, the US, France, the Netherlands, Italy and Germany.
The researchers behind the study say high scores such as Britain’s may be linked to the way society is increasingly willing to accept sexual promiscuity among women as well as men. They also believe that, among certain age groups and at certain times, men and women are equally liberal.



The researchers say that cultural developments have meant women are now as able to engage in no-strings sex as men. “Historically we have repressed women’s short-term mating and there are all sorts of double standards out there where men’s short-term mating was sort of acceptable but women’s wasn’t,” said David Schmitt, a professor of psychology at Bradley University, Illinois, who oversaw the research.

http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/l...cle5257166.ece

Great! Away with the double standard.

[Secura]

I still think those results are down to the chav culture we have here though. :/

[a completely inoffensive name]

You know I love you, right?

Of course, I love you too. You my dawg.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I still think those results are down to the chav culture we have here though. :/

Yeah, me too. I only know a few girls (single figures) who could be counted as promiscuous.

[Husar]

Why is it wrong to have hairy armpits? Most people are born with hairy armpits, why hate yourself?
I shave my face but I'm not running around saying people with beards are barbarians.
Even though I'm proud to be an unshaved hairy barbarian, "we" conquered Rome being that.

I'm absolutely not into promiscuous women either, I like to feel special, not like one of a hundred guys she's had. Yes, I'm selfish like that.

Oh and, that reminds me that your armpits produce pheromones, sweating more underneath there can only be a good thing.
Reminds me to change my user title back to "Pharaoh Pheromones".

[Craterus]

The days of 'no sex please, we're British' are well and truly behind us. The British are now the most promiscuous of all industrial nations. And British women even more so than men. (I do wonder how that works. Lesbianism? Foreign men () ?)
But probably what's meant is that a greater number of women have a promiscuous lifestyle than men. That is, there a few Kadagar Ubermen who do all the work.

Can anyone actually explain this? (Sorry to derail the thread, but the problem has been bothering me for some time.)
Sexual partners is the easiest way to do this but really it's a question of averages. How can women have a higher (or lower, I forget what the actual figure is) number of average sexual partners than men? Assuming the two populations are equal and same-sex intercourse isn't recorded, every instance of sexual intercourse would add to the average for both sexes, even if it is only a minority of women sleeping with most of the men? Does anyone understand the point I am (poorly) trying to make?

[Husar]

Can anyone actually explain this? (Sorry to derail the thread, but the problem has been bothering me for some time.)
Sexual partners is the easiest way to do this but really it's a question of averages. How can women have a higher (or lower, I forget what the actual figure is) number of average sexual partners than men? Assuming the two populations are equal and same-sex intercourse isn't recorded, every instance of sexual intercourse would add to the average for both sexes, even if it is only a minority of women sleeping with most of the men? Does anyone understand the point I am (poorly) trying to make?

I think it's because the only way they use to find out is not spying in peoples' bedrooms but asking them, maybe women are more honest then, or they exaggerate more.

[Craterus]

So, theoretically the averages should be the same? I looked some figures up online (lost the link): in the UK, heterosexual men have an average of 16 female sexual partners while heterosexual women have an average of 15 male partners. So, the only causes for the disparity would be foreign partners (outside of the tested population) and dishonesty?

[bobbin]

The days of 'no sex please, we're British' are well and truly behind us. The British are now the most promiscuous of all industrial nations. And British women even more so than men. (I do wonder how that works. Lesbianism? Foreign men () ?)
But probably what's meant is that a greater number of women have a promiscuous lifestyle than men. That is, there a few Kadagar Ubermen who do all the work.

Note the researcher says that in "more liberal countries such as Britain women may even be becoming more promiscuous than men", ie this is his opinion on what might happen in the future, not what the situation is like right now.

I really don't believe women are more promiscuous the men, from my experience it is pretty much even.

[Secura]

or they exaggerate more.

We don't need to exaggerate about how many sexual partners we have.

If a man sleeps with alot of women, he's applauded for it and called "stud" or "player". If a woman sleeps with alot of men, she is a "slut" or "skank" or whatnot. Why would we exaggerate only to be plastered with such titles from men and women alike?

I really don't believe women are more promiscuous the men, from my experience it is pretty much even.

While I hate to make generalisations, if you go out to a nightclub, check out the women-men ratio; in the average club in Manchester, you're probably looking at two men to every woman, or thereabouts. Men seem to do, say and buy anything in order to keep a girl talking to them and not their friends or other guys. Women do not do this, we're fine with letting you come to us.

If we really want it, we could simply go out, click our fingers and someone would come running. Men have to work alot harder for their kicks, so there's likely a point where they simply throw in the towel and go home with the Heathers rather than the Kellys. We're alot more selective than that. :P

I knew a guy back in university who used to say that once he had made his way through what he called "the notties", he would only be left with the attractive women; he believed that having his way with "notties" was better than not getting any whatsoever, so he'd make a point of sleeping with anything he could. I'm not saying all men are like this... but I do think they're generally more promiscuous than women.

[Strike For The South]

clubs are the bane of youth, stay away

[Husar]

We don't need to exaggerate about how many sexual partners we have.

If a man sleeps with alot of women, he's applauded for it and called "stud" or "player". If a woman sleeps with alot of men, she is a "slut" or "skank" or whatnot. Why would we exaggerate only to be plastered with such titles from men and women alike?

Because the questions were probably asked anonymously. I still don't know why women would exaggerate then but it was an idea.
You also forgot to mention to the word chav, that you used earlier to describe women on pictures you posted and subsequently rated based solely on their looks.

[Secura]

You also forgot to mention to the word chav, that you used earlier to describe women on pictures you posted and subsequently rated based solely on their looks.

Well, I wouldn't 'rate' anyone based on their appearances, male or female... it's their personalities and brains that would attract me or put me off, and I honestly don't find anything attractive about chavvy men or women. Check Wikipedia or the rest of the 'net if if you wish for information on them... the closest comparison I can think of is trailer park white trash in the US.

I'd hoped that the pictures (a chavvy mother smoking while heavily pregnant?, drunken 13/14 year olds?) could convey that sorta thing to you better than words could. :P

[Centurion1]

Well, I wouldn't 'rate' anyone based on their appearances, male or female... it's their personalities and brains that would attract me or put me off, and I honestly don't find anything attractive about chavvy men or women. Check Wikipedia or the rest of the 'net if if you wish for information on them... the closest comparison I can think of is trailer park white trash in the US.

I'd hoped that the pictures (a chavvy mother smoking while heavily pregnant?, drunken 13/14 year olds?) could convey that sorta thing to you better than words could. :P

is a chav basically british slang for slut. Personally girls like that arent very attractive because beign dirty, looking like a racoon, and 24/7 beer breath arent personal turn ons

[Secura]

is a chav basically british slang for slut

Not really, because the term also applies to men; see this guy or this bunch.

The word is used to describe what's quite like a social class of it's own. They're like... the scummiest of the scum.

I'd rather sit down and have a drink & chat with a homeless person than a chav; at least with the homeless person I'd hear about something other than fake designer clothes, how many "birds" they've "shagged" or getting girls pregnant at fifteen and then claiming benefits for the rest of their life.

[Centurion1]

Not really, because the term also applies to men; see this guy or this bunch.

The word is used to describe what's quite like a social class of it's own. They're like... the scummiest of the scum.

I'd rather sit down and have a drink & chat with a homeless person than a chav; at least with the homeless person I'd hear about something other than fake designer clothes, how many "birds" they've "shagged" or getting girls pregnant at fifteen and then claiming benefits for the rest of their life.

ah so they are just trash then. well thats pleasant.

[Louis VI the Fat]

We don't need to exaggerate about how many sexual partners we have.

If a man sleeps with alot of women, he's applauded for it and called "stud" or "player". If a woman sleeps with alot of men, she is a "slut" or "skank"

Oi! It's not the men in this thread who portrayed liberated women as skanks!

Heather

What are you slagging off my girlfriend for?

[Beskar]

Yeah, me too. I only know a few girls (single figures) who could be counted as promiscuous.

I only know a few girls (single figures) who could be counted as not promiscuous.

[Husar]

Well, I wouldn't 'rate' anyone based on their appearances, male or female... it's their personalities and brains that would attract me or put me off, and I honestly don't find anything attractive about chavvy men or women. Check Wikipedia or the rest of the 'net if if you wish for information on them... the closest comparison I can think of is trailer park white trash in the US.

So calling someone trash is not rating them?
You even followed up with "scum" and "lowest class"...
That's not to say I disagree but I wanted to show you that you use such ratings as well and it's not just others using them on you or women in general.

[Secura]

So calling someone trash is not rating them?

I misunderstood what you meant by "rate", I apologise. You mean judging them, right?

I guess that I do this quite alot; if I see a group of chavvy-looking youths loitering around somewhere, I'll cross over the road without a second thought. It's probably a form of prejudice, judging them all to be bad news without even knowing them... but I've been in trouble with these types of people before and wouldn't want to risk doing so again.

I apologise for the major thread derailment, by the way. Didn't mean to turn the thread into a critique of British society. xD

[Rhyfelwyr]

People are too harsh in judging anyone that looks remotely chav-like. When I was younger I used to wear the whole tracksuit thing (facepalm, I know), I still always wear tracksuit bottoms over jeans, just because it's the norm where I live.

That's just how people dress in lower-class areas, well at least in the west coast of Scotland anyway. Doesn't mean they're all loud-mouthed thugs. And tbh, they look quite a bit different from those English chavs anyway, I've never seen any of the whole bling-thing up here.

[Secura]

People are too harsh in judging anyone that looks remotely chav-like. When I was younger I used to wear the whole tracksuit thing (facepalm, I know), I still always wear tracksuit bottoms over jeans, just because it's the norm where I live.

It isn't about the way they dress or anything; I wear tracksuit bottoms if I'm going for a run, nothing wrong with that. :P

It's more... their lifestyle and their attitudes that I disagree with. Getting on buses and playing their music without headphones/smoking at the back, being rude to people three or four times their age, being aggressive if you so much as look in their direction (that's more the women in my case, though)... I'm not saying that they're all like this, just that this is how I see them all because of the bad encounters I have had with them, both in my hometown and at university. :<

[Rhyfelwyr]

You get chavs at university?

I think this might cause part of the confusion... there is a difference between the chav/ned look you get in lower-class areas, and then this whole chav culture you get with rich kids spending triple figures on tracksuits and acting like ****'s becuase they wish they were black and it's the closest thing they can get to being gangsta.

[johnhughthom]

I know when I was at university I spent 3 figure sums on tracksuits. And of course by that I mean 3 figures in terms of pence. Not for any fashion statement or wish to be part of a cultural grouping, simply because cheap clothes meant I had more money to spend on alcohol to get drunk and attempt to get female students out of their equally cheap and nasty tracksuits.