manliness question

**Husar** · 03-11-2010, 00:50

Originally Posted by Secura

Well, I wouldn't 'rate' anyone based on their appearances, male or female... it's their personalities and brains that would attract me or put me off, and I honestly don't find anything attractive about chavvy men or women. Check Wikipedia or the rest of the 'net if if you wish for information on them... the closest comparison I can think of is trailer park white trash in the US.

So calling someone trash is not rating them?

You even followed up with "scum" and "lowest class"...
That's not to say I disagree but I wanted to show you that you use such ratings as well and it's not just others using them on you or women in general.

**Secura** · 03-11-2010, 01:02

Originally Posted by Husar

So calling someone trash is not rating them?

I misunderstood what you meant by "rate", I apologise. You mean judging them, right?

I guess that I do this quite alot; if I see a group of chavvy-looking youths loitering around somewhere, I'll cross over the road without a second thought. It's probably a form of prejudice, judging them all to be bad news without even knowing them... but I've been in trouble with these types of people before and wouldn't want to risk doing so again.

I apologise for the major thread derailment, by the way. Didn't mean to turn the thread into a critique of British society. xD

**Rhyfelwyr** · 03-11-2010, 01:18

People are too harsh in judging anyone that looks remotely chav-like. When I was younger I used to wear the whole tracksuit thing (facepalm, I know), I still always wear tracksuit bottoms over jeans, just because it's the norm where I live.

That's just how people dress in lower-class areas, well at least in the west coast of Scotland anyway. Doesn't mean they're all loud-mouthed thugs. And tbh, they look quite a bit different from those English chavs anyway, I've never seen any of the whole bling-thing up here.

**Secura** · 03-11-2010, 01:27

Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

People are too harsh in judging anyone that looks remotely chav-like. When I was younger I used to wear the whole tracksuit thing (facepalm, I know), I still always wear tracksuit bottoms over jeans, just because it's the norm where I live.

It isn't about the way they dress or anything; I wear tracksuit bottoms if I'm going for a run, nothing wrong with that. :P

It's more... their lifestyle and their attitudes that I disagree with. Getting on buses and playing their music without headphones/smoking at the back, being rude to people three or four times their age, being aggressive if you so much as look in their direction (that's more the women in my case, though)... I'm not saying that they're all like this, just that this is how I see them all because of the bad encounters I have had with them, both in my hometown and at university. :<

**Rhyfelwyr** · 03-11-2010, 01:39

You get chavs at university?

I think this might cause part of the confusion... there is a difference between the chav/ned look you get in lower-class areas, and then this whole chav culture you get with rich kids spending triple figures on tracksuits and acting like ****'s becuase they wish they were black and it's the closest thing they can get to being gangsta.

**johnhughthom** · 03-11-2010, 01:47

I know when I was at university I spent 3 figure sums on tracksuits. And of course by that I mean 3 figures in terms of pence. Not for any fashion statement or wish to be part of a cultural grouping, simply because cheap clothes meant I had more money to spend on alcohol to get drunk and attempt to get female students out of their equally cheap and nasty tracksuits.

**Centurion1** · 03-11-2010, 01:58

wow british culture sounds like a poor rip off of american gangsta's/mafia.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 03-12-2010, 00:19

Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

You get chavs at university?

I think this might cause part of the confusion... there is a difference between the chav/ned look you get in lower-class areas, and then this whole chav culture you get with rich kids spending triple figures on tracksuits and acting like ****'s becuase they wish they were black and it's the closest thing they can get to being gangsta.

Ah, Rars. The bane of my existence, men that dress like slobs and women who dote on men who dress like slobs. Home Counties breeding required.

Originally Posted by Beskar

I only know a few girls (single figures) who could be counted as not promiscuous.

Really? Maybe I'm naturally selective of my female friends; I seem to pick Christians out the way some men tag NVPL. Maybe our definition of promiscuous is different. I mean women who are monogomous and don't generally but out until some time after the 3rd date line.

**Secura** · 03-11-2010, 01:56

Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

You get chavs at university?

Dunno, you might do; never saw any on campus myself, but that doesn't mean they're not around! :P

I meant that when I would go into Piccadilly, Deansgate or indeed most places off MMU's campus, I'd see chavs, acting similar to how they did back home. I should have said "at my university city", really, would have made more sense. :3

**Husar** · 03-11-2010, 01:59

Originally Posted by Secura

I misunderstood what you meant by "rate", I apologise. You mean judging them, right?

Yes, no problem.

Sometimes I want to beat up those subway-smokers, too, although some of them look like they could easily reverse the situation...
And to get back on the subject, smoking in the subway is not manly at all, if you want to smoke a fag, do it in private, some people are so desperately in need of one, they already start on the escalator, it's not only annoying, it also shows they are enslaved by those little round sticks...