Re: Happy Independence Day
Great, so you respond by being a rascist yourself? Can you not see that reacting like that might make the allegations seem more plausible?Originally Posted by Snite
Plus ca change, moins ca change...
I have got hold of digital camera now, I will post later. Your lack of enquiry and utter self belief are unfortunately painting a big target on you for me (or anyone) who thinks it's important and good that people question history and what they are lead to believe.
Last edited by al Roumi; 03-11-2010 at 12:05.
Re: Happy Independence Day
Calm down there cowboy.
He's not being a racist, he's being a xenophobe.
If you could just post some excerts that would be wonderful. I'm certianly not going to argue the tejanos were treated badly and some did leave but I'm certianly not buying wholesale expulsion and genocide, South Texas has had a very large continous Tejano population since about 1718 (San Antonio EST.)
There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
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I would also point out that the Southern Americans who moved into Texas in the late 60s and 70s considerd all Texans "tejanos" including the central europeans and anglos who settled here. Hell Tejano music is pretty much spicy polka.
That is the real disconnect here. Seguin was actually a frenchman (ethnically, he was certianly not the mestizo as he is often portrayed) and they did charge him with aiding the Mexican army (now how true that was....) But I would point he came back to Texas and was elected Justice of the peace twice in bexar county (My County fwiw) and once in wilson county.
The real oppersion of Tejanos truly only started once Southeners (mostly confederate veterans) came to make their fortune in Texas and even then it was exploitation not genocide. Before that the oppersion amounted to little more than land grabs from emprazarios.
Last edited by Strike For The South; 03-11-2010 at 16:19.
There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
Re: Happy Independence Day
He's not really being xenophobic either, just a.
From memory, Simon Schama doesn't say that all "Mexican" texans were kicked out, just that there was a lot of ugly race related violence and oppression, as a probable result of which many Mexican Texans left Texas.
The term "Tejano" seems to mean a lot and different things in different circumstances... My prior use of it (in this thread) has been to describe those non-Anglo people who were inhabitants of "Texas" and Mexican subjects before Texas' independance. I certainly couldn't really call them indigenous either -at least not without causing considerable offense to Megas!
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I can't imagine why but this reminds me of a tasteless joke I am compelled to share:
4 people are on board a plane when one engine goes bad and the pilot declares they'll have to drop some weight or crash. He believes if one person would jump out it would be okay. The Frenchman sincerely looks them over and declares "Viva la Franca!" before hurling himself out. The pilot expresses his regret that another will have to go. The Brit despises their company anyhow and yells "God save the Queen!" as he jumps away. Still overweight the pilot is certain that if one more goes it will be enough. The Texan looks out the door in contemplation, looks back at the Mexican, looks out the door again, grabs the Mexican, tossing him out, and yells "Remember the Alamo!" as he does so.
"The good man is the man who, no matter how morally unworthy he has been, is moving to become better."
John Dewey
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OK, finally sorted my self out. Link below to mediafire download of double page spreads from Simon Schama's book. God knows how many copyright laws I'm breaching, I don't intend to infringe them beyond the needs of a source...
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=0...7b5d7f10aaff85
Each pic is about 3MB, I hope they have survived the upload and remain legible.
Edit:
"Viva la Franca" ???
Last edited by al Roumi; 03-11-2010 at 21:01.
Re: Happy Independence Day
Guys! I just found the full text of Simon Schama's book on Google books! Go check it out!
Oh wait, All_p just went through all that trouble. I'll spare him the link then.
'Vive la France', but a good joke is not to be nitpicked.
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