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    Default Re: that's some wierd stuff.

    you are interested in this girl perhaps not sexually but you want to get to know her.

    and you are wondering about arabs i guess.

    do algerians count as arabs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centurion1 View Post
    do algerians count as arabs?
    Arabs and Berber (a collection of diffrent indigenous people) are the largest ethnic groups, not sure which is the largest group of the two.
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    Arabic or Berber, not sure which is the largest group of the two.
    but dont arabs have to come from the arabian peninsula. i would think berber then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centurion1 View Post
    but dont arabs have to come from the arabian peninsula. i would think berber then.
    After searching teh internetz for info I found this

    According to wikipedia the Algerian population is circa 33 millions and the berber population consist of 4 millions.
    Not sure how much I trust wikipedia on this one though.


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    North Africans are typically closer related to Berbers than Arabs, but they are two sides of the same coin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centurion1 View Post
    but dont arabs have to come from the arabian peninsula. i would think berber then.
    the people along the coast a mix of Arabs, settlers from other areas, and berbers. the desert is purely Berber territory. the reason that is so is because the Arabs settled in the cities after they had conquered them. they even founded a few: Qayruwan, in Tunis, and Tunis city itself, are both Arab in origin. they also settled in Lybia, Tunis, morocco, Mauritania, western sahara, and even Spain, siciliy, and malta (hence the language known as maltese). but it is worth pointing out that they were never the majority-just a minority that influenced their neighbors.

    as a result, Algerians do speak arabic-allbeit a dialect that is unintelligeable to me (my dialect is a levantine one). and no, you don't have to be from the peninsula. I'm considered an Arab, since I'm descended from Arabs who, if I get my grandparents, settled in northern Iraq, and later Palestine/Israel. they also mentioned that the founder of my family, Zallum, fought in Saladin's Army. there is also a place in Saudi Arabia with that name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibrahim View Post
    the people along the coast a mix of Arabs, settlers from other areas, and berbers. the desert is purely Berber territory. the reason that is so is because the Arabs settled in the cities after they had conquered them. they even founded a few: Qayruwan, in Tunis, and Tunis city itself, are both Arab in origin. they also settled in Lybia, Tunis, morocco, Mauritania, western sahara, and even Spain, siciliy, and malta (hence the language known as maltese). but it is worth pointing out that they were never the majority-just a minority that influenced their neighbors.

    as a result, Algerians do speak arabic-allbeit a dialect that is unintelligeable to me (my dialect is a levantine one).
    They also have a lot of french loanwords, which of course makes it more complicated to understand.
    BTW you can trace your linage to the middle ages?! You're a lucky one.


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    not as strange as dreaming you are playing a level in Crysis then all of a sudden all the KPA enemies turn into zombies that wont die.
    freaky stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooahguy View Post
    not as strange as dreaming you are playing a level in Crysis then all of a sudden all the KPA enemies turn into zombies that wont die.
    freaky stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur, king of the Britons View Post
    They also have a lot of french loanwords, which of course makes it more complicated to understand.
    BTW you can trace your linage to the middle ages?! You're a lucky one.
    yes and no- yes, I can't understnd a word out of anyone west of Benghazi (and vice versa). and between the nile and Benghazi, its kinda hard to understand. Maltese is in fact easier to understand than western arabic dialects. but no, its not because of french; my dialect has many french words, as does Algerian (grafe/grafa, salon, telefon, tilfesion, taxi, beskalet*, balkone , etc, all came from french. yes, even taxi). its actually because of berber influence. in berber languages, they tend to shorten, or drop some vowels in arabic, so ikbeer (big) in leventine is kbir in moroccan. the results can be a bit messy...

    as to my medieval origins: I believe them, but I lack the evidence to be certain. what they do say is however in line with the rest of my family history that I have evidence for: a religious/political role in Ottoman times, pro-caliphate/PLO pamphleteers (like my distant relative, abd al-qadeem zallum), the strong military ideals (chivalry, honor, etc), to today. but if I do have eivdence to confirm my family stories, I'm gonna be real impressed, for as you say, few people can trace their lineage 900 years back.

    *from french for bicycle.

    @ Hooahguy: woe, that's even stranger stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibrahim View Post
    as to my medieval origins: I believe them, but I lack the evidence to be certain. what they do say is however in line with the rest of my family history that I have evidence for: a religious/political role in Ottoman times, pro-caliphate/PLO pamphleteers (like my distant relative, abd al-qadeem zallum), the strong military ideals (chivalry, honor, etc), to today. but if I do have eivdence to confirm my family stories, I'm gonna be real impressed, for as you say, few people can trace their lineage 900 years back.
    The furthest back I could trace my origins was to some German farmers in the Ukraine, and to some northern irish dissidents sick of being blow'd up by the IRA. I'd say you're pretty lucky that you even have an idea of your origins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibrahim View Post
    yes and no- yes, I can't understnd a word out of anyone west of Benghazi (and vice versa). and between the nile and Benghazi, its kinda hard to understand. Maltese is in fact easier to understand than western arabic dialects. but no, its not because of french; my dialect has many french words, as does Algerian (grafe/grafa, salon, telefon, tilfesion, taxi, beskalet*, balkone , etc, all came from french. yes, even taxi). its actually because of berber influence. in berber languages, they tend to shorten, or drop some vowels in arabic, so ikbeer (big) in leventine is kbir in moroccan. the results can be a bit messy...


    as to my medieval origins: I believe them, but I lack the evidence to be certain. what they do say is however in line with the rest of my family history that I have evidence for: a religious/political role in Ottoman times, pro-caliphate/PLO pamphleteers (like my distant relative, abd al-qadeem zallum), the strong military ideals (chivalry, honor, etc), to today. but if I do have eivdence to confirm my family stories, I'm gonna be real impressed, for as you say, few people can trace their lineage 900 years back.

    *from french for bicycle.

    @ Hooahguy: woe, that's even stranger stuff.
    Ah.. Interesting, I thought the Algeria had more french loanwords due to being colonized by the french, turns out it wasn't like that.


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