Fatwa on terror, what the hell.

[Furunculus]

Muslims and Islam are as impervious (or perhaps even more impervious) to political, social and economical change as other people.

i would say that statement is debatable given the lack of separation between church and state.......

[Fragony]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9C7...layer_embedded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNq6...eature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v_g...eature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWIv...eature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0262...eature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7_m...eature=related

Pretty good documentary.

[Hax]

i would say that statement is debatable given the lack of separation between church and state.......

The whole "seperation of church and state" thing is a pretty recent invention. And how would you call Turkey then? The existence of religious political parties (such as in almost all the Maghribi countries) does not constitute for a lack of seperation of church and state. Otherwise, most western countries would not know seperation of church and state. Look at the United States for an obvious example.

[Fragony]

The whole "seperation of church and state" thing is a pretty recent invention.

So are antibiotics what's your point

[Hax]

My point being that there is some sort of hypocrisy involved in criticising other people when it comes to things like these, especially when it's definitely not true or overgeneralised. You criticise "the multicultural left", but if there is something that "the right" is more prone to doing, it's generalising.

[Fragony]

My point being that there is some sort of hypocrisy involved in criticising other people when it comes to things like these, especially when it's definitely not true or overgeneralised. You criticise "the multicultural left", but if there is something that "the right" is more prone to doing, it's generalising.

The right is very diverse, but if there is one thing that is a given for all leftist party's is that you aren't allowed to have doubts about unlimited immigration and multiculture. The sectarian nature of this unquestionable fact and the paralysing social control within the leftist church is a disaster for our country's.

SP used to be an exception by the way, but they don't like to be reminded of that.

[Furunculus]

The whole "seperation of church and state" thing is a pretty recent invention. And how would you call Turkey then? The existence of religious political parties (such as in almost all the Maghribi countries) does not constitute for a lack of seperation of church and state. Otherwise, most western countries would not know seperation of church and state. Look at the United States for an obvious example.

turkeys separation of church from state was enforced by the generals to held a coup every time politically islamic politicians got too close to power, hardly a good example for you to counter my point with............ :)

[al Roumi]

i would say that statement is debatable given the lack of separation between church and state.......

That's a bit of a sweeping statement too!

I'd argue that most Muslim states, with a few notable exceptions, are ruled by secular leaders through secular structures. The "Mosque" though is undeniably important in Muslim society, comparatively mores so than in the west so yes Church and state are closer, but that again does not neccesarily mean Hax is wrong.