Hax needs someone with knowledge of Galician-Portuguese!

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Hax 23:58 03-05-2010

Hey guys!

First off, I'm in a folk band, and I've recently come across the Cantigas of Santa Maria, who were originally written in Galician-Portuguese, the language of the Castillian court. Since I'm not too big on the Iberian languages, I'm wondering how exactly this should be read (vertical verses first or horizontal verses first)

"Dest' un miragre fremoso, | ond' averedes sabor,
vos direy, que fez a Virgen, | Madre de Nostro Sennor,
per que tirou de gran falla | a un mui falss' amador,
que amude cambiava | seus amores dun en al.
A Virgen mui groriosa..."

Thanks in advance,

- Hax

Louis VI the Fat 03:23 03-06-2010

Horizontal.

Castillian court?

CountArach 07:48 03-06-2010

Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat:
Castillian court?

Didn't the Castillian court speak Castillian?

Hax 11:07 03-06-2010

Thank you, Louis

Originally Posted by :
Didn't the Castillian court speak Castillian?

I'm sorry, I meant the language used for poetry and songwriting.

My bad

Louis VI the Fat 17:13 03-06-2010

Originally Posted by Hax:
I'm sorry, I meant the language used for poetry and songwriting.

My bad

No you're quite correct. It is me who missed something. Too used to modern useage of languages, as a territorial means of communication. Languages for the most of history served social functions. Provençal was used for courtly love and lyricism, I never realised Iberia did the same with Galician.

How very cool that your folk band keeps this tradition alive!

Hax 17:31 03-06-2010

Originally Posted by :
No you're quite correct. It is me who missed something. Too used to modern useage of languages, as a territorial means of communication. Languages for the most of history served social functions. Provençal was used for courtly love and lyricism, I never realised Iberia did the same with Galician.

Well, if we look at the essence of the animosity that was not to uncommon between the Portuguese and Kingdom of Castille-Leon (and later Navarra and Arágon), we'll see that the Spanish saw Portugal as something of a rebel state. Galicia is also home to quite some interesting instruments (such as the Galician bagpipes) and was one of the regions that was never conquered by the Muslims.

A Very Super Market 06:29 03-08-2010

Galicia is also rather... located in the boonies, isn't it? I know how screwy Basque country can get, how about Galicia? Certainly, they aren't quite your classical Spaniards.

Afonso I of Portugal 19:59 03-09-2010

Originally Posted by Hax:
Hey guys!

First off, I'm in a folk band, and I've recently come across the Cantigas of Santa Maria, who were originally written in Galician-Portuguese, the language of the Castillian court. Since I'm not too big on the Iberian languages, I'm wondering how exactly this should be read (vertical verses first or horizontal verses first)

"Dest' un miragre fremoso, | ond' averedes sabor,
vos direy, que fez a Virgen, | Madre de Nostro Sennor,
per que tirou de gran falla | a un mui falss' amador,
que amude cambiava | seus amores dun en al.
A Virgen mui groriosa..."

Thanks in advance,

- Hax

Hax, i'm Portuguese with Galician ancestry, just give me a few hours/days and i can give you a lot of information and links to Galician language and culture. If you could read Galician/Portuguese/Castilian better but i'll try to do my best regarding translation.

Afonso I of Portugal 01:33 03-10-2010

Hax, already see this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galician-Portuguese_lyric
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantigas_de_Santa_Maria
http://pt.wikisource.org/wiki/Cantigas_de_Santa_Maria
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galicia_(Spain)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfonso_X_of_Castile
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinis_of_Portugal
http://icking-music-archive.org/ByCo.../Alfonso_X.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_of_Castile

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