Will the testudo formation be included?

[bobbin]

He didn't say that.

[Cute Wolf]

the most risky formations back in RTW, as a kata charge will found the ideal target

BTW, they are have immunity to missiles

[Cadwalader]

They are indeed hard to kill with missiles, but I'm sure I've seen them take casualties by them before.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Testudo formation is not that invincible.
Just send one of your missile unit(best choice:archer cavalry) behind them an let them shoot those legionaries into their backs.
They will soon break the testudo formation and the other missile units can release their arrows against them when they try engage those first missile units.

But, I hope to see this formation in EBII because in siege battles(as romans) it will save a lot of your soldiers from shot to death by some Toxotai.

[fraoula]

Can anyone remember any references to the testudo formation being used before 14 AD?
I remember vespasian using it during his judean campaign in sieges but it's after eb's timeframe and Publius Crassus tried a pseudo-testudo formation in Carhae but it didn't work out for him but no other ones.

[bobbin]

Pultach and Cassius Dio mention it's use by Mark Antony during his abortive invasion of Parthia in 36bc.

[Power2the1]

Can anyone remember any references to the testudo formation being used before 14 AD?

The Gauls used before the Romans since who knows when!

[Phalanx300]

This book mentions Germanic "Shield Castles", basicly Testudos. Not sure when they said they were used, did say that some men might have used it as an platform for assaulting fortifications.

http://books.google.nl/books?id=9bId...age&q=&f=false

[athanaric]

BTW, they are have immunity to missiles

Depends on the size of your missiles...

[Cute Wolf]

Depends on the size of your missiles...

Vanilla Onager FTW

BTW, the ridiculously expensive siege engines in EB, means that Attacking walled cities are really difficult..... and the AI on a special mention... can't attack a city which had 4 slingers and 4 militia hoplite to defend them.... even when they attack with 10 star general-led fullstack.....

So I made some modifications... Stone walls take 60 seasons to build, and has priced more than port upgrade.... it was annoying a bit... but then, at least it give some challanging siege battle (with me as defender)

[Fluvius Camillus]

Well AI is too dumb to use it, they will probably turn it on in case of a Catank charge!

But the Testudo is not part of the MIITW engine right? Or can it be implemented?

~Fluvius

[ARCHIPPOS]

Vanilla Onager FTW

BTW, the ridiculously expensive siege engines in EB, means that Attacking walled cities are really difficult..... and the AI on a special mention... can't attack a city which had 4 slingers and 4 militia hoplite to defend them.... even when they attack with 10 star general-led fullstack.....

actually i have found that walled cities are EXTREMELY easy to capture if you can send 1-2 ultra heavy infantry units up the walls. Gaesetae,milhant,thorakitai,hyspaspistai,infantry FM bodyguards,principes and the like chew the enemy defenders in a narrow 300-like front and then the AI stupidly marches his phallanx troops along the walls you now control taking massive casualties from towers.In short don't destroy the stonewalls-occupy them! (yes i know this is exploiting the dumb AI)...

[seienchin]

actually i have found that walled cities are EXTREMELY easy to capture if you can send 1-2 ultra heavy infantry units up the walls. Gaesetae,milhant,thorakitai,hyspaspistai,infantry FM bodyguards,principes and the like chew the enemy defenders in a narrow 300-like front and then the AI stupidly marches his phallanx troops along the walls you now control taking massive casualties from towers.In short don't destroy the stonewalls-occupy them! (yes i know this is exploiting the dumb AI)...

Exactly. I think conquering or defending cities is much easier in EB. The towers dont harm that much, your heavy infantry never dies on the walls, The KI never uses their infantry reasonable etc. etc.-
The only thing quite chalenging is an entrance to a city square defended by several phalangitai.
In Vanilla units just died easier so even levy infantry on walls could kill at least 5-10 men heavy infanty, if they didnt rout and the towers really hurt.

[ARCHIPPOS]

well it's relatively easy if you attack or defend a stonewall city. Wooden walls is a whole different ballgame though :)