StarWars: Return of the Sith [Concluded]

[Secura]

To me this looked like initiation attack. Sith Lord watched his new apprentice killing first time.

Yep; it seems as though Chaotix managed to fend off the apprentice but was ultimately defeated by the Sith Lord.

[TheFlax]

Well the main ones that stand out in that really long list are Marka Ragnos, Exar Kun, Darth Revan, Darth Malak, Darth Nihilus, Darth Sion and Darth Traya.

All of the above are mentioned in the KOTOR series and all either filling an antagonist role or mentioned as a major figurehead of the Sith in the past (Ragnos, Kun). Kreia/Darth Traya would be a role I would expect in this game considering we've seen Atris already. She was infinitely more bad*** than Darth Sidious too. :3

Exar Kun is Sith weaksauce... Most of the KotOR Sith aren't that impressive either.

Try Freedon Nadd, Karness Muur, Naga Shadow.

Admittedly, I don't know much of the newer established pre Empire Sith, but in the latest iteration of the Star Wars RPG, Darth Bane's stats make in one of the strongest, if not the strongest Sith that has been stated. (Above those you mentioned Secura)

Also, Darth Cadeus (Jacen Solo) is pretty scary in his power.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Jacen Solo is dead though. IIRC, then he was killed by the Siths.

[Renata]

'Khaan sure was acting like mafia last night, so despite that I really *don't* see any clues that would indicate a recruitment, I guess we have to assume there could have been one.

I can confirm ATPG's claim pre-existing last night; that's one tidbit of information that found its way to me.

I'm going to go ahead and
vote: Psychonaut
based on my recent posts and the previous ones, pending yet more explanation of Psychonaut's ability.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Darth Bane, anyone?

[Secura]

Exar Kun is Sith weaksauce... Most of the KotOR Sith aren't that impressive either.

Well, I stated Exar Kun because I remember Kreia constantly mentions the guy, among others, when you're on Korriban. As for the KotOR Sith:

- Darth Revan, survives having the Force ripped from him among other things
- Darth Malak, loses half his face and still lives
- Darth Nihilus, essentially EATS PLANETS
- Darth Sion, immune to physical pain
- Darth Traya, ticks every single box on the Magnificent ******* checklist

Malak's the only one that stands out as 'weaksauce' to me, and Revan would probably be more likely to be Light Side-aligned (as is the case canonically)... but the other three are all plausible.

I don't really know much about Darth Bane to comment on him... but as you can tell I love KotOR. xD

[GeneralHankerchief]

Darth Bane was the godfather of the modern Sith order, started the Rule of 2, and was the only survivor of the Battle of Ruusan on either side. All in all he was a seriously evil Sith Lord and a worthy ultimate enemy.

[TheFlax]

Well, I stated Exar Kun because I remember Kreia constantly mentions the guy, among others, when you're on Korriban. As for the KotOR Sith:

- Darth Revan, survives having the Force ripped from him among other things
- Darth Malak, loses half his face and still lives
- Darth Nihilus, essentially EATS PLANETS
- Darth Sion, immune to physical pain
- Darth Traya, ticks every single box on the Magnificent ******* checklist

Malak's the only one that stands out as 'weaksauce' to me, and Revan would probably be more likely to be Light Side-aligned (as is the case canonically)... but the other three are all plausible.

I don't really know much about Darth Bane to comment on him... but as you can tell I love KotOR. xD

Sure, but Karness Muur for example made a talisman which contained his essence, possesed anyone wearing it (actually it forcebly attaches itself to a few people) and turns any nearby human who isn't force senstive into a rakghoul controled by the wielder of the talisman.

Not saying the KoTOR ones are weak, I just don't find them that impressive, probably because you, as a player character, becomes so much more powerful than them.

[Niklas]

I would like to reprise my vote from yesterday to ask Diana Abnoba to come forward from the shadows.

vote: Diana Abnoba

[GeneralHankerchief]

Sure, why not.

Vote: Diana

[autolycus]

Does anyone know how Sigurd handles pronouns when he doesn't want to reveal gender? I don't think atpg's been converted either, but his feminine nature doesn't seem like a guarantee to me.
For now I will follow the force ghost and vote:Thermal Mercury.

[naut]

Besides Subotan and Diamondeye, I'm still having some issues with Psychonaut. First, he did give me a partial description of his ability; however, what he says he learns remains very vague, and what he says he can reveal about it even vaguer. I asked follow-up questions and got that he was too tired to respond at that time but would in the morning. Morning Sydney time has long since come and gone, and no PM.

I have a Customer Behaviour exam. Personal life = more important than game. I can't give you the response you deserve in a rush. Now excuse me while I rush a response to your completely unfounded accusations.

I really hope Psycho is mafia, because he's looking more like one the more I read. Focusing on AVSM and Khaan references, that first quoted post looks great for Psycho. But not so much re-reading the last lines: he was actually advocating neither of them, but rather that people stick with the 'good candidate' Niklas.

???? That's the problem, you're reading way to into everything. And when something isn't there you are twisting it to fit a conclusion. Take a step back and take a fresh look.

Where do you get that from? Did you miss the post where I said we should lynch khaan?

Secondly:

So he actually suggests that 'Khaan is a good lynch, albeit with a qualifier attached, and without moving his vote off Niklas. He's also, which I had forgotten, one of those who suggested that Khaan's out of thread behavior was unusual for him. (Do Psycho and Khaan usually talk, btw?) All this sounds good for Psychonaut's innocence. But then, after several vote changes, a defense post from Niklas, and a post from Psycho referencing a wish for a vote count, Psycho posts this:

I didn't change my vote at first because there had been absolutely no tallies and so many changes that I thought it was a stupid idea to change more votes without one. So I went through did the tally. And changed my vote. I was going to vote 'khaan, but noticed that Jooray had voted since then and I didn't want either lead candidate to run away with it at that stage. So I voted AVSM to keep it even. So if either of them dropped by they could at least have a chance of changing people's minds.

[Husar]

I have a Customer Behaviour exam.

You study capitalism, too?

[Thermal]

I don't think I'm going to be alive in any games in the gameroom at this rate.

I appreciate that I'm not being much use, anything I do say will probably make things worse, so I'll just vote and let you all pile a mountain of scum a top of me.

vote: jolt

[Askthepizzaguy]

The only question that matters: Where is the Sith Lord?

Put yourselves in the Sith Lord's shoes for one moment, fellow Jedi. Sith Lord can recruit apprentices, seemingly without end, or there is at least no known end to this. The Sith Lord can kill and recruit, and even break through Jedi defenses. A very powerful role indeed... what would you do if you had this power? If I were the Sith Lord:

Unlike my Sith apprentices, who are a dime a dozen, I will be trying desperately to avoid both suspicion and the lynch. Sith apprentices however can lurk, act scummy, and flirt with being WOG'ed. Like Yaseikhaan, they can lay limp as a ragdoll until they finally get lynched, and then will intentionally act scummy afterward. Those who lynched the scum look nice and pro-townie, especially if they were early on the "Khaan is scum" wagon. Or even if Khaan wasn't scum.... they could easily do this with any of their apprentices. Why not? You can act like you're a valuable, talkative contributor who is actively catching scum, while reducing the pool of Jedi with the lynch, the recruitment, and the murders. How can you go wrong with this strategy? All your recruits act like total scum, and it keeps you alive... and even if they don't act like scum, townies will probably get lynched, while you're hiding among the seemingly useful players, right in the town's "blind spot".

We need to stop Sith recruitment. Hitting the recruits is like playing whack-a-mole... it's time to unplug the machine.


Who among the talkative, accusatory players do I see, avoiding all of the usual pitfalls like lurking, accusing pro-town roles, or voting without reasons? I see TinCow, I see Sasaki, I see Kagemusha and GeneralHankerchief. However, GH went after me too strongly early in the game, I think that's too risky for the Sith Lord. Sasaki also.

I'd like to place a Finger of Suspicion: on TinCow and Kagemusha as possible Sith Lords.


But really, who is posting more than usual? Who indeed.


vote: atheotes

66 posts? What prompts you to act so out of the norm, friend atheotes. Tell me your role, because you have one.

[Yaropolk]

I dont think Sasaki is the Sith lord, he wouldn't lay his neck on the line R1 to PM autoclys with Sith informer role and then come forward with it. I'll Vote: TC to come forward as I think he's quite quiet.

[TinCow]

Who among the talkative, accusatory players do I see, avoiding all of the usual pitfalls like lurking, accusing pro-town roles, or voting without reasons?

So, your theory is that the people who act the most pro-town are the scum?

[TinCow]

I dont think Sasaki is the Sith lord, he wouldn't lay his neck on the line R1 to PM autoclys with Sith informer role and then come forward with it. I'll Vote: TC to come forward as I think he's quite quiet.

Internet was completely shut down at work today due to a virus introduced into the main server. Since I normally post from work, that impacted my ability to read and post over the past 24 hours.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So, your theory is that the people who act the most pro-town are the scum?

Not necessarily. But the Sith Lord is someone who will avoid all of the usual pitfalls, and you know this.



Fellow players, I direct your attention to a very big change in atheotes' behavior over the course of this game as opposed to others he's been in (as town OR scum).

First of all, he's very talkative. Much more so than usual.
Secondly, he's not just talkative, he's present, almost omnipresent. On almost every single 80-post page I've read, he's been present, and discussing and responding, and laughing at people's jokes, and agreeing with people.
Thirdly, he's been very interested in adding to other people's comments, other people's theories, and agreeing with those theories and/or adding in theories of his own. This isn't typical atheotes behavior. He's never quite this engaged in a game.
Fourthly, he continually directs the lynch toward the most controversial characters, or the lurking-est characters.
Fifth, when he does vote, he is commonly the only person to vote for that player. This means no one is really upset that he voted for them.
Sixth, when he voted for Khaan, it was late late in the round and his vote didn't matter, much like mine. However, unlike him, I had considered Khaan a suspect earlier on, and even voted him early on that round. He never really went after Khaan until it was too late for Khaan. His vote wasn't the lynching vote but it was darn close. Close enough to look like it mattered, but not. Interestingly, that's the only time I can recall he actually tried to get someone lynched like that... he's been the sole vote otherwise, or he's not voted at all.
Seventh, he's made a very big show of offering excuses any time he leaves this thread for an extended period. That's unlike him... he is usually absent for long stretches... no one would really notice if he did leave for a while. But, he's been so self-conscious that he's offered excuses on at least two or three occasions. He's very self-conscious.
Eighth, and this is funny: How he reacts to me in particular. Early in the game he responded to me several times with agreement, and adding onto what I said. Later on, he would ask why people thought I was scummy, or why I should be lynched, or he'd respond to others accusing me. Instead of being one of the many who accused me early on, he has been very cautious not to trigger my usual defensive reaction. No townie really is that concerned with my reaction to them, but atheotes seems to be.
Later on, he tries to get me lynched on the basis of not wasting vig kills and because I'll eventually get recruited and so on and so forth. He smells blood, here's the time to waste a lynch and off Pizza, who hasn't been scummy all game according to him.
Ninth, and really obviously: He's posting over and over all these helpful suggestions on how we should proceed, and what we should do, and what we shouldn't be revealing, and so on and so forth. Almost the same thing as my typical nervous reaction when I am scum: Act as pro-town as possible.
Tenth: almost any time he gets voted, he responds directly to his accuser. This is not typical of atheotes, he's never all that concerned with one or two votes. He's USED to being the scapegoat, as "atheotes is always mafia" after all. So why is he so defensive and sensitive to criticism?

Add that to his unusual activity levels and general self-consciousness and over-the-top helpfulness. He's telling others how to use the search function, for example. He's laughing at everyone's jokes. He just can't get enough of this particular game. He doesn't act that way in any other game.... ever.

Now, if he were a PRO-TOWN role, he would be acting more conservatively, trying to hide in the shadows, not the spotlight. He's hiding in the spotlight to look like an ordinary townie, and to avoid the usual accusations. And his suspects are never controversial, and he rarely votes to lynch, and when he did, it was everyone's suspect, Khaan.



Atheotes is TevashSzat in Godfather III, except with more posts, because he is usually accused of lurking or not posting enough. So that's the adjustment he made this time.


I want an explanation for all these variations from his usual behavior. Go back and look, see for yourself. He's not the usual atheotes.

[Beskar]

atheotes is always the mafia, perhaps he rolled a townie?

[Askthepizzaguy]

atheotes is always the mafia, perhaps he rolled a townie?

Maybe. But I want to know who he is and what he's been up to, if anything.

If he's not a "pro-town role" then given his odd behavior he should be lynched, period. If he is a pro-town role, it needs to be demonstrable or else I'm not buying it. Like I said, he hasn't been acting in a way to avoid the murder, he's been acting in a way to avoid the lynch, specifically.

[Thermal]

Atheotes has been a good analytical player, it isn't terribly out of character for him even if he is a little more alert than usual.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Atheotes has been a good analytical player, it isn't terribly out of character for him even if he is a little more alert than usual.

Inishmore: 11 posts (in progress)
Shakespeare: 11 posts (concluded)
Chinese Zodiac: 10 posts (concluded)
Mafia IX: 10 posts (concluded)

The only unusual game I found was this, and this game was unusual in and of itself:

Shadow Fort: 109 posts out of 3455. (Massive game) Average number of sentences per post: 1-2, fewer jokes, survived into the late game, basic townie. Average posts per 80post page: 1-2.


This game:

1582 posts. 80ppp= roughly 20 pages. Here, he's got about 3 posts per page, with significantly more discussion per post. He's never been this engaged or involved, by a factor of an extra 50% above his highest extreme, which was itself out of the norm, and he's acting strangely in content as well as quantity. That doesn't indicate pro-town role, for sure, so at worst he's a basic townie. But I believe this behavioral change and the content of his posts indicate he is extremely interested in this game in particular, and if not a pro-town role, then why?

I'm not going to pass this off as simply being a big Star Wars fan, either. I need more than that.

[atheotes]

My responses are in blue...i found it easier to do it this way

Not necessarily. But the Sith Lord is someone who will avoid all of the usual pitfalls, and you know this.



Fellow players, I direct your attention to a very big change in atheotes' behavior over the course of this game as opposed to others he's been in (as town OR scum).

First of all, he's very talkative. Much more so than usual.
Agreed.
Secondly, he's not just talkative, he's present, almost omnipresent. On almost every single 80-post page I've read, he's been present, and discussing and responding, and laughing at people's jokes, and agreeing with people.
True. Did you check how many posts i had in Shadow Fort? more than 100. It can be attributed to less stress at work.
Thirdly, he's been very interested in adding to other people's comments, other people's theories, and agreeing with those theories and/or adding in theories of his own. This isn't typical atheotes behavior. He's never quite this engaged in a game.
Perhaps I like Starwars
Fourthly, he continually directs the lynch toward the most controversial characters, or the lurking-est characters.
This is not specific enough for me to respond
Fifth, when he does vote, he is commonly the only person to vote for that player. This means no one is really upset that he voted for them.
I have voted for whoever i think is the best choice
Sixth, when he voted for Khaan, it was late late in the round and his vote didn't matter, much like mine. However, unlike him, I had considered Khaan a suspect earlier on, and even voted him early on that round. He never really went after Khaan until it was too late for Khaan. His vote wasn't the lynching vote but it was darn close. Close enough to look like it mattered, but not. Interestingly, that's the only time I can recall he actually tried to get someone lynched like that... he's been the sole vote otherwise, or he's not voted at all.
Before i voted for Khaan, i had my vote on Niklas - based on Tincow's accusation. Khaan and AVSM were tied for votes. Renata broke the tie and i added to it. I see my vote as being pretty strong.
Seventh, he's made a very big show of offering excuses any time he leaves this thread for an extended period. That's unlike him... he is usually absent for long stretches... no one would really notice if he did leave for a while. But, he's been so self-conscious that he's offered excuses on at least two or three occasions. He's very self-conscious.
I made an excuse ONCE - that too when i had a vote one me. I asked for explanation so I mentioned i will gone for the day anyway and will not be able to respond. But iam glad you notice i go away for long stretches
Eighth, and this is funny: How he reacts to me in particular. Early in the game he responded to me several times with agreement, and adding onto what I said. Later on, he would ask why people thought I was scummy, or why I should be lynched, or he'd respond to others accusing me. Instead of being one of the many who accused me early on, he has been very cautious not to trigger my usual defensive reaction. No townie really is that concerned with my reaction to them, but atheotes seems to be.
Later on, he tries to get me lynched on the basis of not wasting vig kills and because I'll eventually get recruited and so on and so forth. He smells blood, here's the time to waste a lynch and off Pizza, who hasn't been scummy all game according to him.
If Chaotix did not reveal in-thread, you had to go. You know it was necessary...you proposed it first.
Ninth, and really obviously: He's posting over and over all these helpful suggestions on how we should proceed, and what we should do, and what we shouldn't be revealing, and so on and so forth. Almost the same thing as my typical nervous reaction when I am scum: Act as pro-town as possible.
Acting pro-town is scummy? what can i say?
Tenth: almost any time he gets voted, he responds directly to his accuser. This is not typical of atheotes, he's never all that concerned with one or two votes. He's USED to being the scapegoat, as "atheotes is always mafia" after all. So why is he so defensive and sensitive to criticism?
There was no reason for the vote on me. So i inquired.

Add that to his unusual activity levels and general self-consciousness and over-the-top helpfulness. He's telling others how to use the search function, for example. He's laughing at everyone's jokes. He just can't get enough of this particular game. He doesn't act that way in any other game.... ever.

Again...I like starwars. More importantly i have had some free time at work over the last month and a half. Usually, i am in catch up mode trying to keep up with the thread...having more time has helped me. You can see this in Shadow Fort as well.

Now, if he were a PRO-TOWN role, he would be acting more conservatively, trying to hide in the shadows, not the spotlight. He's hiding in the spotlight to look like an ordinary townie, and to avoid the usual accusations. And his suspects are never controversial, and he rarely votes to lynch, and when he did, it was everyone's suspect, Khaan.

Atheotes is TevashSzat in Godfather III, except with more posts, because he is usually accused of lurking or not posting enough. So that's the adjustment he made this time.

I want an explanation for all these variations from his usual behavior. Go back and look, see for yourself. He's not the usual atheotes.

I think i have answered everything

[atheotes]

Maybe. But I want to know who he is and what he's been up to, if anything.

If he's not a "pro-town role" then given his odd behavior he should be lynched, period. If he is a pro-town role, it needs to be demonstrable or else I'm not buying it. Like I said, he hasn't been acting in a way to avoid the murder, he's been acting in a way to avoid the lynch, specifically.

Why do you want to know if i have any abilities? Dont you think that information is more useful to mafia than town?
You want to lynch me because there is no reason to lynch me

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why do you want to know if i have any abilities? Dont you think that information is more useful to mafia than town?
You want to lynch me because there is no reason to lynch me

Who are you, atheotes?

[atheotes]

Inishmore: 11 posts (in progress)
Shakespeare: 11 posts (concluded)
Chinese Zodiac: 10 posts (concluded)
Mafia IX: 10 posts (concluded)

The only unusual game I found was this, and this game was unusual in and of itself:

Shadow Fort: 109 posts out of 3455. (Massive game) Average number of sentences per post: 1-2, fewer jokes, survived into the late game, basic townie. Average posts per 80post page: 1-2.


This game:

1582 posts. 80ppp= roughly 20 pages. Here, he's got about 3 posts per page, with significantly more discussion per post. He's never been this engaged or involved, by a factor of an extra 50% above his highest extreme, which was itself out of the norm, and he's acting strangely in content as well as quantity. That doesn't indicate pro-town role, for sure, so at worst he's a basic townie. But I believe this behavioral change and the content of his posts indicate he is extremely interested in this game in particular, and if not a pro-town role, then why?

I'm not going to pass this off as simply being a big Star Wars fan, either. I need more than that.

Good that you went back and looked at Shadow Fort.
Inishmore - i am not able to get the hang of the game. so i am not really into that game.

[atheotes]

Who are you, atheotes?

Give me a good reason as to why i should tell you?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Give me a good reason as to why i should tell you?

Your hesitation indicates one of two things:

• Pro-town role (I don't think so, not with your chosen strategy)
• Sith.

If you're a basic role, just claim.

[atheotes]

Your hesitation indicates one of two things:

• Pro-town role (I don't think so, not with your chosen strategy)
• Sith.

If you're a basic role, just claim.

not everyone plays the same way. so you could be wrong.
Are you asking my character name or just my role in the game? my first response was based on my assumption that you were asking for my character name.