StarWars: Return of the Sith [Concluded]

[TinCow]

Even Obi-Wan senses just how much of a fantastic job the town's doing currently... the only reason that we've bagged a Sith thus far is through metagaming reasons and now we're just lynching townie after townie.

It didn't require Yoda to figure out Autolycus wasn't Sith.

Criticism from the peanut gallery is meaningless. If you want to complain, perhaps you should contribute to the discussion next time.

[Secura]

Criticism from the peanut gallery is meaningless. If you want to complain, perhaps you should contribute to the discussion next time.

Because people would genuinely listen to what I have to say, right?

Personally, I would have lobbied for Pizza to be lynched long ago; instead, you've all allowed him to talk himself out of trouble, throw around litres of Pinot Grigio and generally slip under the radar while the likes of Greyblades and Autolycus are lynched in his place.

Neither of them were Sith and they both appeared to be scummy because y'all made them out to be such. We're not all as competent at coping with pressure as yourself, Pizza or Sasaki... the level of heat that you were all putting on them would have made anyone buckle, let alone two people who to me just seemed to be lazy rather than scummy. That sort of pressure would have been better utilised elsewhere.

Lynching Pizza next day phase would be the best step in my opinion; Shadow Fort should have taught us that you can never trust him, even if previous games have not done so. The entire reason that the Turks won that was down to Pizza's clever manipulation and his way with words; despite all the suspicion, he made it to the final two.

The town would benefit without his WIFOM either way, wouldn't you agree?

[TinCow]

Actually, I agree we need to have some more discussion about ATPG. I'd like some more info on the old investigation we had on him. IIRC, he was "susceptible" to the dark side, or something similar. Was there any more info than that? Is there currently any reason to believe that a more solid result we be returned against an actual Sith?

See, this is why you should contribute.

[autolycus]

Actually, I agree we need to have some more discussion about ATPG. I'd like some more info on the old investigation we had on him. IIRC, he was "susceptible" to the dark side, or something similar. Was there any more info than that? Is there currently any reason to believe that a more solid result we be returned against an actual Sith?

See, this is why you should contribute.

Because you can support her with what I'd already pointed out? ;)
That being said, I'd like to see a scan or block on johnhughthom, and a discussion/lynch of atpg tomorrow, assuming that johnhughthom isn't exposed as scum during the night.

[autolycus]

Even Obi-Wan senses just how much of a fantastic job the town's doing currently... the only reason that we've bagged a Sith thus far is through metagaming reasons and now we're just lynching townie after townie.

It didn't require Yoda to figure out Autolycus wasn't Sith.

Apparently it not only didn't require Yoda, but Yoda couldn't figure it out. Also, either Sigurd's tally is wrong, or I got my vote forced onto a ghost.

[White_eyes:D]

I am of the opinion the "Pro-town"(DE, Psycho and TinCow) are just doing a "scorched earth" policy(Look it up in mafia terms) to thin out the Sith recruits....You guys realize that didn't go so well in "Shadow Fort". So, cut the and start lynching those who are good at dodging the limelight

[Husar]

I am of the opinion the "Pro-town"(DE, Psycho and TinCow) are just doing a "scorched earth" policy(Look it up in mafia terms)

That's actually a Company of Heroes policy.

And others have brought up looking for lurkers before but usually it's easily forgotten after someone says they will get WoGed anyway, but then they won't and just lurk along, doing an occasional post and vote here or there.

[Secura]

Actually, I agree we need to have some more discussion about ATPG. I'd like some more info on the old investigation we had on him. IIRC, he was "susceptible" to the dark side, or something similar. Was there any more info than that? Is there currently any reason to believe that a more solid result we be returned against an actual Sith?

I actually asked Chaotix to investigate me to find out more about how the investigation ability worked, but he died that night unfortunately. I believe that the Grand Master and the basic Initiate are not susceptible to the Dark Side; the former because it's the head honcho, the latter because they're pretty much useless beyond a vote, as they cannot utilise a lightsaber and have no ability to use the Force either.

I believe that whoever drained Niklas of his lynch immunity would be the best person to ask about what the investigation result said; I believe the investigation and power drain combined into a single power, is that correct?

See, this is why you should contribute.

As a dead player, there's only so much I can contribute within the confines of the rules though! :P

That being said, I'd like to see a scan or block on johnhughthom, and a discussion/lynch of atpg tomorrow, assuming that johnhughthom isn't exposed as scum during the night.

I'm surprised that johnhughthom isn't dead yet, to be honest.

That's actually a Company of Heroes policy.

Don't make me go all History teacher on you! :P

[Askthepizzaguy]

Because people would genuinely listen to what I have to say, right?

Personally, I would have lobbied for Pizza to be lynched long ago; instead, you've all allowed him to talk himself out of trouble, throw around litres of Pinot Grigio and generally slip under the radar while the likes of Greyblades and Autolycus are lynched in his place.

Neither of them were Sith and they both appeared to be scummy because y'all made them out to be such. We're not all as competent at coping with pressure as yourself, Pizza or Sasaki... the level of heat that you were all putting on them would have made anyone buckle, let alone two people who to me just seemed to be lazy rather than scummy. That sort of pressure would have been better utilised elsewhere.

Lynching Pizza next day phase would be the best step in my opinion; Shadow Fort should have taught us that you can never trust him, even if previous games have not done so. The entire reason that the Turks won that was down to Pizza's clever manipulation and his way with words; despite all the suspicion, he made it to the final two.

The town would benefit without his WIFOM either way, wouldn't you agree?

OMGUS....

First of all, there was a late addition to my role, which I didn't get until now because I was asleep. I was the other one who went to the jedi holocron today. I'll tell Chaotix what powers I just got.

If you guys lynch me, that's your business. But you should have listened to me and focused on John or Centurion1.



I also particularly like how I asked to be blocked or scanned or drained, after I was already scanned, and that would prove I'm not the starting Sith Lord, plus the fact that the Sith Lord is still looking for a recruit....

Is anyone even paying attention to this game? Because it's getting pretty tiring having to explain the same basic stuff over and over.

[Centurion1]

ok........... pizza why the deflection on me all the time. we all know that i have no idea whats going on. you expect me to not defend myself and thus escape for another phase.

pizza is squirming away again.......

vote: pizza

[Renata]

Speaking of Psycho, did he ever report any results from last night?

[Secura]

OMGUS....

Do you mean that you're inflicting the horror of OMGUS upon me or vice versa? Bit hard for me to do that since I'm dead, but I thought I would ask anyway.

I'll tell Chaotix what powers I just got.

Of course, you're a very intelligent young man, so there is the chance you could be making this sort of thing up, right? You don't actually have to dignify that with a response, I've gotten to know how good you are at doing that exact thing and it amazes me how many times myself and others can fall for it. :P

I also particularly like how I asked to be blocked or scanned or drained, after I was already scanned, and that would prove I'm not the starting Sith Lord, plus the fact that the Sith Lord is still looking for a recruit....

Is anyone even paying attention to this game? Because it's getting pretty tiring having to explain the same basic stuff over and over.

I don't believe that you were a starting Sith, in all honesty; I think Beskar's investigation result would have yielded more indicative results if that was the case. But it doesn't mean you're not Sith now; the people who should have and could have investigated you through whatever means they wield have either died or been on the old death sticks, to be honest. Someone does need to scan you, I would agree with that.

As for the paying attention part... well you don't honestly need to ask that, it answers itself; the answer for most players would be a negative one.

ok........... pizza why the deflection on me all the time. we all know that i have no idea whats going on. you expect me to not defend myself and thus escape for another phase.

Why the lurking though, Cent?

vote: pizza

Now, this is OMGUS, right?

[Askthepizzaguy]

ok........... pizza why the deflection on me all the time. we all know that i have no idea whats going on. you expect me to not defend myself and thus escape for another phase.

pizza is squirming away again.......

vote: pizza

Okay, NO.

YOU WILL LISTEN. LISTEN

• Two Sith to start the game. First to die was Niklas. That's one.
• You're looking for ONE other Sith, because HE IS STILL TRYING TO RECRUIT PEOPLE.
• That means I NEVER GOT RECRUITED!

Will you guys BLOCK ME or DRAIN ME or SOMETHING if you THINK I AM A SITH, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD????



It's so frickin aggravating to be IGNORED. Why do you listen to everyone else's non-defenses, and totally ignore my actual, LOGICAL, PROVEABLE DEFENSE? WHY? Is it because I am Askthepizzaguy and therefore I am guilty even when I am not?

Why am I so dangerous, or supposedly dangerous? It is because I think.

I'm NOT "slithering away". Whenever you exercise your Pizza fetish and latch onto me, I give you good reasons not to lynch me. Then a round or two goes by and you TOTALLY FORGET why I am not a good lynch. Then I have to explain it to you, and I'll do that, but it would be nice if you had some memory of the previous reasons. It's not a trick! Do you know that logic isn't a trick? It's logic. It's actually good stuff! It is helpful when determining guilt! RIGHT???

Like when someone gets attacked and survives, why, they are usually not mafia, RIGHT?

Or when someone is scanned as a potential sith recruit, BEGS to be BLOCKED at night, and there's only 2 mafia max due to the rule of two, and one of the starting Sith Lords is still looking for a recruit, LOGIC dictates that you BLOCK your suspect who asks to be BLOCKED. Because the Sith Lord won't want to be!

So, I am the Sith Lord, HUH? BLOCK ME THEN. Put your money where your mouth is.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You should lynch Centurion1 for pretending to not know that it is night phase, and block Johnhughthom tonight.

I apologize if I sound frustrated, but I am. That is all for now.

[Beefy187]

To completely change the topic. Happy International Starwars day.

bye

[Renata]

Honestly Pizza if you want people not to be paranoid about you, you should stop doing things that encourage paranoia.

[Secura]

I loved that post, personally...

[pevergreen]

I read the first version posted and the version after the edit. I do not recall there being a mention of someone getting a holocron visit in the original write-up, while there is one in the edited write-up. I think that was the thing which was omitted, which would make it consistent with autolycus' claim that he got a late message about a holocron update today.

Sasaki's argument is pretty good.

Someone investigate me already.

[Kagemusha]

I think you should lynch Tincow.

[autolycus]

I would bet just about anything that TinCow is innocent. I think Atpg is lying when he says he was called to the holocron last night, because the write-up only mentions a single person being called, and I claimed to be that person already. I now say block johnhughthom tonight and lynch atpg tomorrow.

[Diana Abnoba]

Okay guys, since all the power roles are dead or outed (I'm guessing ) by now, you need to just put in thread, who has been investigated or blocked or had power taken from them, in some safe form. Town needs some real direction. We only have a few more rounds to get this right.

My FOS's are;

Cent 1- lurking, but every time a vote is on him he comes out of the woodwork.
pever- not sure he is mafia, but need to remove the distraction.
Johnhughthom- lower post then usual, just not his usual self, something is off.

So one of these should be the next lynch.

As for;

Choxorn- very low prob. that he is Sith Lord, replacement player of Lord Winter, who IIRC didn't even vote once. Not lurker on purpose, not active at all.
YLC- for the same reason as Choxorn.
Split is only a bit more guilty because he replaced Jolt, that started out in the 1st -2nd round somewhat active the got wog'd.

Psyco- was Role blocked and we still had kills- not Sith Lord.


I think the Sith Lord IS still looking for recruits, so IMO you should role block or drain or investigate...Pizza, and Tin Cow and see what happens. This will prove them townie or not, then continue down the line to the next 2...should have been doing this all along. Or if you want, block pever or johnhughthom... whoever, just do it, and state who was blocked, in thread next day.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I would bet just about anything that TinCow is innocent. I think Atpg is lying when he says he was called to the holocron last night, because the write-up only mentions a single person being called, and I claimed to be that person already. I now say block johnhughthom tonight and lynch atpg tomorrow.

Take that up with Sigurd. I was absolutely at the holocron.

If I get lynched over that, I'm sure Sigurd will apologize after the game for his mistake. I was ABSOLUTELY at the holocron last night. I only just got the update today after I woke up.

[Choxorn]

I was at the holocron a night when zero people going there were mentioned in the update, so that being a mistake on Sigurd's part is entirely possible.

[Diamondeye]

You should lynch Centurion1 for pretending to not know that it is night phase, and block Johnhughthom tonight.

I apologize if I sound frustrated, but I am. That is all for now.

This actually sounds good. Especially the Cent lynch. Can we agree on it?

I loved that post, personally...

Take that up with Sigurd. I was absolutely at the holocron.

If I get lynched over that, I'm sure Sigurd will apologize after the game for his mistake. I was ABSOLUTELY at the holocron last night. I only just got the update today after I woke up.

There was the same issue with me and Psychonaut one night.

I think Sigurd only mentions those who are "force virgins", if I may be that blunt, in the writeup. People who have already been awakened to the force can keep going to the holocron and will learn new abilities, but will not be mentioned in the public writeup.

That's the way I've come to understand it after all these misgivings with it.

Sending in scan/block orders...

[White_eyes:D]

That's actually a Company of Heroes policy.

And others have brought up looking for lurkers before but usually it's easily forgotten after someone says they will get WoGed anyway, but then they won't and just lurk along, doing an occasional post and vote here or there.

The "scorched earth" mafia term is used quite a bit over at Mafia scum.....they use it when they have confirmed Pro-towns on there side and it is a "all-or-nothing gamble" to lynch/vig every other role, to make sure there are NO Room for scum...I have seen it used there to GREAT effect, unlike here sadly....(Shadow Fort being the worst)

I don't know if there players are just that good....or we are just that inexperienced...

[Askthepizzaguy]

I was at the holocron a night when zero people going there were mentioned in the update, so that being a mistake on Sigurd's part is entirely possible.

Possible, or it could be Diamondeye's explanation. But thank you for backing me up.

If a Sith were to claim to be at the holocron, and someone else could claim the opposite, then there is no advantage in doing so. The likeliest outcome is getting lynched because of it.

This actually sounds good. Especially the Cent lynch. Can we agree on it?

Yeah, unless something more conclusive happens in the meantime. But please block John, if possible. Either that or block me and finally put this to rest. It would be more useful for ME if you blocked John, because that would reduce the suspect list more and I could actually have a better perspective than I do now. But anything that prevents me from being lynched is superior to the alternative. Do what needs to be done.

[pevergreen]

How am I a distraction?

[Subotan]

ok........... pizza why the deflection on me all the time. we all know that i have no idea whats going on. you expect me to not defend myself and thus escape for another phase.

pizza is squirming away again.......

vote: pizza

Oh wow, that's not even funny.

Two Sith to start the game. First to die was Niklas. That's one.
You're looking for ONE other Sith, because HE IS STILL TRYING TO RECRUIT PEOPLE.
That means I NEVER GOT RECRUITED!

Please reveal to us your source which confirms 100% the bolded part of your post.

OMGUS....

Why is that whenever ATPG is accused, this or that other five letter acronym always pops up in ATPG's defence? Just an observation.

Considering the interaction between ATPG and Cent1, I am of the opinion that either one or both is mafia scum. The "conversation" between them seemed melodramatic and forced on ATPG's part, and Cent1 is ever-so blisfully innocent and naive that one might be inclined to think that he wasn't paying attention to the thread.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Barrison Draay was utterly tired after a long day. He never got used to the 24 hour days. The hallways were dark around his cabin and he was not enjoying walking alone here after the happenings since they arrived on this ancient beast.
He was getting close to his cabin when he felt a presence. His lightsaber ignited and the green hue lit up the dark hallway. He walked slowly towards an adjacent hallway and sneaked around the corner. There in the middle of the hallway stood a dark figure shrouded in a dark cloak and crimson lightsabre burning in the right hand. Barrison walked out into the hallway determined to not lose this fight. He took his defensive stance. The cloaked figure stared at him with glowing amber eyes as if assessing him. Barrison was not too comfortable with the situation. The figure finally looked a bit disappointed, if one could attribute such emotions to those hard amber eyes emitting pure hatred. The figure lifted one hand and lightening shot out of it. Barrison Draay felt the agonizing electricity pounding the very core of his being. It took only a little while before darkness overcame him.

This matches the previous night's attempted recruitment of Diana.

Luke Skywalker walked alone in the hallways of the living quarters heading to his particular cabin when he felt the presence of danger. Green lightsabre sprang to life as he scanned his proximity. He could see no one, but the feeling wouldn’t go away.
He turned back the way he came a bit, but saw nothing. When he turned again towards his own cabin, there was a personage blocking the way. The person was cloaked in a long blackish cloak with a deep hood hiding face and features. From the dark of the hood, Luke could see glowing amber eyes. They betrayed utterly hatred for him. Luke was ready, his Jedi Knight training took over and he took his defensive stance. The cloaked person just stood there watching, contemplating. Luke got a little uncomfortable when it seemed the person was not going to attack. This was getting a little silly so Luke broke the silence: “What do you want?” The cloaked person stared at Luke with those hateful amber eyes. A little moment passed before the cloaked person responded: “You won’t do.” The cloaked person lifted both arms towards Luke and cascading blue energy was released from the hands. Luke was ready though and formed a absorbing field of force which turned the electric energy to nothing right before him.
When the cloaked person saw this, he stopped. And that was the break Luke needed. He jumped at the cloaked person, lightsabre swinging in to strike. The cloaked person moved away, dodging Luke’s attack. When Luke landed, he felt excruciating pain in his head and fell to the floor. It was as if the very life force was dragged away from his physical self. Darkness came fast.

Of course that's not 100% confirmation, just 99% so I am certain that's not good enough.

Wait until the end of the game and you'll get that remaining 1%.

I'm glad you're convinced that Centurion1 must be guilty, so hopefully you will vote for him next round.

Why is that whenever ATPG is accused, this or that other five letter acronym always pops up in ATPG's defence?

Always? Almost never is more like it. Where is your evidence?

There, I was saying OMGUS in the literal, joking sense. As in "your play is bad." Secura is dead, so accusing her (which OMGUS is usually intended to do) is dumb.

[Renata]

I wish people wouldn't be so confident that scorched earth will work. I know the temptation, believe me, but this is a game that started with two mafia out of 40 players and multiple town power roles. Even considering recruitment and single-shot lynch immunity and all that -- what makes people SO sure that the Sith Lord can actually be investigated accurately? Even the roleblocks -- you think the Sith can't manipulate the appearances of those to some effect, whether limited or not? Heck I'm still not convinced that Psychonaut can't be mafia, despite the text description of a roleblock being pretty unambiguous and Psycho having been blocked on a night when there was certainly only one Sith alive.

And have we forgotten that our chief investigator is also a suspect, even if people seem to have given up on actually winning the game if he is not town?

Anyway, telling the mafia publicly what will be done tonight is sheer insanity under the circumstances. Diamondeye should take this into account.