StarWars: Return of the Sith [Concluded]

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Wasting a lynch on Beskar who can not be lynched is pointless. If you people think he is scum then vig kill him in the night or investigate him.

From the write-ups it seems that there are 4 powerful people(with Force ability?).

The killers are interesting though. One uses Force while the other uses lightsaber. So, a Master and an Apprentice? That Master could possibly be one of the Jedi Masters while the other one could be Jedi Knight. Only Jedi have lightsaber. Also, all those who got droid role(I understand there are these in here as well) should be considered innocents.

[TinCow]

all those who got droid role(I understand there are these in here as well) should be considered innocents.

Are you basing the existence of droids on the way people were talking, or something said in private?

[Andres]

Don't entirely agree. They may want to just save their own skin and try to nightkill him or something?

Then the write-up will learn us how Beskar gets killed and we'll be able to draw our conclusions.

It's simple:

a) Beskar is scum and then: 1) a Master Jedi will step forward and sacrifice his role for a mafia (good deal); or 2) the Jedi Masters will kill Beskar at night;
b) Beskar is innocent and nothing will happen, he'll probably end up killed by the Sith a few rounds later once they understand he won't get lynched.

No matter what, as it is now it's pointless for town to keep their votes on Beskar.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Just because Beskar survived a lynch once doesn't mean he can do it infinitely. Again, for those who didn't play in The Settlement, I point to CountArach, an anti-town role that needed to be lynched twice in order to be fully destroyed.

Some further reading on the subject

[Andres]

Just because Beskar survived a lynch once doesn't mean he can do it infinitely. Again, for those who didn't play in The Settlement, I point to CountArach, an anti-town role that needed to be lynched twice in order to be fully destroyed.

Some further reading on the subject

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[Husar]

Not really, Kage is far more susipicious than me.

I didn't say he isn't, I just mean he is right about the Sasaki/ATPG thing potentially being a huge distraction away from actual issues and that I don't necessarily agree with him about you.

Since I so far contributed a lot to the town, pretty much proven townie, telling the truth, etc... on the otherhand, what do we know about Kagemusha? Known Innocent versus a total unknown.

The way I see it, everything you "contributed to the town" so far was in your own best interest as well and that you said the truth about one or two things does not mean that everything you said and the way you put it in context is true as well. And since everyone likes to point at previous mafia games, in some, I think it was a capo, Sigurd made a very convincing case of being a relatively neutral serial killer who could be beneficial to the town, IIRC he was actually a mafia boss. So just because you have a good story that fits with some of the things that happened you aren't necessarily innocent. Sigurd has also given powerful pro-town PMs as coverups to powerful anti-town forces before, that's why the Jotun king and another Jotun could hide as king and champion in midgard one, in fact, even the investigation hinted at them being king and champion, later Sigurd said it was to balance the all-too powerful town-network. Just saying that the idea of you being sith and having a jedi-master PM as a cover-up is not all that far-fetched, which doesn't mean it has to be true either.

[Diamondeye]

Well i dont deal with coulds and shoulds. So far im not convinced about him as i havent heard of anything helpfull to the town coming from him. As long as the situation remains the same he is my lynch priority number uno.

Only a sith deals in absolutes. vote:Kagemusha

Then the write-up will learn us how Beskar gets killed and we'll be able to draw our conclusions.

It's simple:

a) Beskar is scum and then: 1) a Master Jedi will step forward and sacrifice his role for a mafia (good deal); or 2) the Jedi Masters will kill Beskar at night;
b) Beskar is innocent and nothing will happen, he'll probably end up killed by the Sith a few rounds later once they understand he won't get lynched.

No matter what, as it is now it's pointless for town to keep their votes on Beskar.

I agree , well put, Andres.

I don't like the ATPG bandwagon to be honest, but it's still better than a Beskar (wasted) lynch, so let's try to pick on someone else.

[Niklas]

I may not know how ATPG and Sasaki normally play, but I found their finger-pointing mildly amusing, and not really scummier than many other comments around it. However, I see someone acting very much out of character, all while accusing others of the same thing. Renata bandwagoning a high-profile player on day 2, based on appearances alone? Never thought I'd see the day. There has to be something more behind that. What, I wonder?

vote: Renata

[Andres]

Also, all those who got droid role(I understand there are these in here as well) should be considered innocents.

If there really are droid roles, then I strongly disagree about them being guaranteed innocents.

I don't know if you're familiar with the KOTOR games, but HK-47 is not exactly "good".

[Andres]

I may not know how ATPG and Sasaki normally play, but I found their finger-pointing mildly amusing, and not really scummier than many other comments around it. However, I see someone acting very much out of character, all while accusing others of the same thing. Renata bandwagoning a high-profile player on day 2, based on appearances alone? Never thought I'd see the day. There has to be something more behind that. What, I wonder?

vote: Renata

This is actually the first game in which Renata doesn't strike me as suspicious. In the previous games, she was always town though.

What to make of that...

[Diamondeye]

This is actually the first game in which Renata doesn't strike me as suspicious. In the previous games, she was always town though.

What to make of that...

I should mention, for those who are not aware, that Niklas comes from the same forum (CFC) as Renata and has played quite a number of mafia-like games with (and against) her over there.
Then again, we do play differently over here at the .org, it might just be that Niklas is not accustomed to the orgish Renata yet. But she's worth keeping an eye on, as always

[Csargo]

Unvote:autolycus, Vote:Csargo

[Andres]

Unvote:autolycus, Vote:Csargo

Csargo doesn't strike me as guilty And your reasons for voting him are non existent.

Vote : Csargo

Explain your vote on Csargo

[pevergreen]

Unvote:autolycus, Vote:Csargo

Oh, this is the last straw.

Unvote: ATPG, Vote: Strawberry

[Beskar]

I agree. Csargo is my friend, how dare you vote for him.

Unvote; Vote: Csargo

[Andres]

[naut]

I am a Jedi Master?

So is Obi-wan and Mace Windypoo and Qui-gon and Kyle Katarn and so on and so on.

Vote: Beskie

[pevergreen]

So is Obi-wan and Mace Windypoo and Qui-gon and Kyle Katarn and so on and so on.

Vote: Beskie

If you were going for the joke, I would have stuck to these:
Obi-one, Mace Windypoo, Qui-Gone, Heyla Sekyoura Mitt Histo etc

[Csargo]

Csargo doesn't strike me as guilty And your reasons for voting him are non existent.

Vote : Csargo

Explain your vote on Csargo

For lack of a better person to pick.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Renata, your argument rests on assuming that I as mafia would go out of my way to wagon pizza at the start of the game. Where is the benefit in that compared to wagoning someone else? And what makes you think I wouldn't deliberately push on someone as town? I just usually abandon these early wagons because they lose their appeal for some reason, this one hasn't though.

Also:

1) you said my vote for niklas was artificial or something like that
2) but you voted for zach as a welcome to mafia
3) and you think the context of pizza's vote was obvious. Why wasn't the context of my vote obvious?

[Renata]

Renata, your argument rests on assuming that I as mafia would go out of my way to wagon pizza at the start of the game. Where is the benefit in that compared to wagoning someone else? And what makes you think I wouldn't deliberately push on someone as town? I just usually abandon these early wagons because they lose their appeal for some reason, this one hasn't though.

Also:

1) you said my vote for niklas was artificial or something like that
2) but you voted for zach as a welcome to mafia
3) and you think the context of pizza's vote was obvious. Why wasn't the context of my vote obvious?

There's nothing wrong with your vote on him. It's what followed that that I'm taking issue with. The particular way in which you chose to go after Pizza was almost guaranteed to draw a suspicious-looking response, regardless of Pizza's alignment. That doesn't look like an honest way to provoke someone.

No issue with your vote on Niklas either, it was merely a comparison to demonstrate what I meant by artificial.

[Diana Abnoba]

Okay I thought about this for a while and;

IMO when I reread the Sasaki/Pizza thing, Pizza is not mafia. Pizza isn't even THAT crazy to use this as a tactic so early. Also it sounded to emotional, frustrated, tired of metagaming...giving up. When he is mafia, he may pull crazy tactics, but he is more calculated, he has a answer for just about everything. I think he needs to just calm down, and adjust the attitude a little. I think we all need to take a deep breath, and realize this IS only a game and it is suppose to be fun. Our 'in the dark, banging into walls', frustration, peaked yesterday, and so many jumped on the banwagon. As for Sasaki, not sure, it could have just been a way to check Pizza out, but I think that if Sasaki were town he wouldn't have kept it going. Sorry guys, but for some of you "great mafia players", us not so great mafia players or not as experienced mafia players, follow your lead. It is not at all fair to you, it is not right, we all need to think for ourselves, but it is true. "With great power comes great responsibility" .

As for Beskar, enough all ready. IMO not a good lynch either;

1. Can't be lynched, so just another wasted round.
2. We have made him great mafia bait for a murder, with his ID...in thread.
3. If we do have others that have had this also happen to them, maybe in some way let us know so we can verify his claims.
4. If all claims are right, then why does everyone want to kill our pro-town roles, if he can turn to the dark side, then watch him, but don't push him away, if everyone was after me, I might say to heck with them, they already think I'm Sith, may as well become Sith.
5. If he is the Dark Lord (GF) then we need to find his partners before we can get him, so change the focus off him and look elsewhere.

All together this is just a waste of a lynch, so why GH are you so stuck on it?
hmmmm...a GH and Sasaki mafia team oooohh
(could just be coincidence)

But I think the only good that may have come out of all this drama yesterday, is somewhere, in the Beskar and Pizza votes lies mafia!
But not to worry too much mafia, because of the paranoid lost townies right now, there won't be a big townie network starting. IMO it won't work here, but many small ones may.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

It wasn't guaranteed to draw a suspicious looking response. Pizza's responses are often not-suspicious. See Mafia IX where he offered himself up for lynch and didn't draw much flak for it.

[Diana Abnoba]

Vote: ATPG I'm going to be vehemently anti leadership this entire game.

Don't think I'm not after him as well. ATPG is my best chance of seeing a top player leave this round, so im joining the party and voting him out. I'll vote for beskar, Sasaki, and anyone else whose post count is outrageous.

Is this the way you catch mafia, sounds more like the way you protect your mafia butt and your mafia partner's butts.

Vote: ACIN

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote, vote: Csargo

Because I was told to. Now I shall go back to doing nothing.

[Methos]

I disagree with Diana's reasoning, but agree on the individual. Going after people solely due to their post count isn't going to help us at all.

Vote: ACIN

[Csargo]

Why aren't people voting for me?

[Subotan]

Is this the way you catch mafia, sounds more like the way you protect your mafia butt and your mafia partner's butts.

To be fair to ACIN, he's played like this pretty consistently in every mafia game I've seen him in.

[TheFlax]

Vote: ACIN

[Beskar]

Unvote; Vote: ACIN

You big post contributor you.