StarWars: Return of the Sith [Concluded]

Let's lynch TheFlax, we don't want a repeat of yesterday.

The bad thing about these last minute massive bandwagons is that they:

1) could easily lynch a power role without giving them a chance to claim
2) make those involved look scummy
3) make the person saved look scummy

And they are virtually impossible for a scum to prevent, thus making those last minute bandwagoners a murder target.

Originally Posted by TheFlax

I'm always online, as in, I leave my firefox browser with me logged on all day long even if I'm not here or I'm sleeping. Unless for some reason my computer crashes or I decide to turn it off for one night, I'll always appear in an online list, no matter the time of the day.

Originally Posted by TheFlax

I don't know the ins and outs of how the online status works, I've never cared much about it. Though I've never said I wasn't online, I just though my name in the list was as much proof as saying someone is in invisible mode, turns out I was wrong. Alright. Looking at the timestamp of Sigurd's message concerning orders, I can say that at that time and for an hour after that I was at home and on the org. How I can prove I actually wasn't up to something nefarious during that time, I have no idea.

I don't like this. He immediately jumped to an excuse rather then just coming out and admitting he was online. Vote: TheFlax.

Ok.. this is my 30 minute last call to vote notice.

Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Let's lynch TheFlax, we don't want a repeat of yesterday.

The bad thing about these last minute massive bandwagons is that they:

1) could easily lynch a power role without giving them a chance to claim
2) make those involved look scummy
3) make the person saved look scummy

4) Scares Sasaki

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

And they are virtually impossible for a scum to prevent, thus making those last minute bandwagoners a murder target.

It also causes the town to be more inclined to remove the last minute wagoners rather then go after the mafia.

Lynching me is not so bad, I'm Dhidal Nyz, an initiate, what I believe is the lowest rank for a townie. Farewell and good luck town.

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

And they are virtually impossible for a scum to prevent, thus making those last minute bandwagoners a murder target.

If the town agreed on using random.org to decide, it would also be impossible for scum to prevent. One doesn't cast out scumhunting for randomness.

The last person almost saved by a last minute wagon was psychonaut (who almost got a pro town role lynched instead), and the last scum to try and prevent a wagon on a buddy was chaotix, who got lynched because his attempt at prevention seemed scummy.

Originally Posted by Methos

It also causes the town to be more inclined to remove the last minute wagoners rather then go after the mafia.

Bah, that never solves anything.

I think Sasaki is mafia, he has not even tried to convict some one of scum yet.

Guys, you are aware that AVSM has not made a single post in this thread yet, right?

Originally Posted by Subotan

Guys, you are aware that AVSM has not made a single post in this thread yet, right?

Hence why he will be getting wogged in 2 minutes.

I would be more worried if AVSM was active.

I believe too many people are going on pressure votes. One person says to get Flax, and now Flax is on the verge of being lynched. And, I for one don't see why Flax is being targeted, especially since he's done nothing scummy this whole game.

The reason I voted Pizza is that he seems to be trying to kill off Beskar. I could be wrong, but for this round he just seems suspicious.

Originally Posted by Belisarius II

The reason I voted Pizza is that he seems to be trying to kill off Beskar. I could be wrong, but for this round he just seems suspicious.

Could you possibly be mistaking me for someone else?

voting closed...

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Could you possibly be mistaking me for someone else?

I could be very well be.

What I do believe is that none of the first time players are the murderors. Reason being is that this is a big game that Sigurd has been cooking up. Why would he place trust in making one of the noobs the murderor? They wouldn't have a clue who to kill off, and it would be complete randomness. Sigurd has been promoting this game so much that I don't think he would give the power of murder to an unexperienced player.

But once again, that's just my opinion.

Belisarius...you are somewhat suspicious.

Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Belisarius...you are somewhat suspicious.

Agreed.

Also, combined with the fact the Sith have been making a lot of "new player" mistakes as well, sort of sinks your boat in the water.

Originally Posted by Belisarius II

What I do believe is that none of the first time players are the murderors. Reason being is that this is a big game that Sigurd has been cooking up. Why would he place trust in making one of the noobs the murderor? They wouldn't have a clue who to kill off, and it would be complete randomness. Sigurd has been promoting this game so much that I don't think he would give the power of murder to an unexperienced player.

I think that's a little harsh; what do you define as a "noob"?

Are you judging this by post count? The time they've been at the Org? The fact you've never seen them before?

*sigh*

And how is that?

EDIT: just saw your post Secura. I define noob as in me. Noob, newbie, new player, new guy. They all mean a person that has no experience in something he is doing for the first time. This is my first time playing a Mafia game. I didn't mean for any insult.

Heh heh heh... I think Belisarius has stepped in it, but I'd be more inclined to believe he's innocent at this point. I believe the odds are quite high he would have a more experienced partner to advise him to avoid making such mistakes, no offense Belisarius.

You clearly have the wrong guy, I've been Beskar's biggest don't-lynch-him-a-second-time advocate.

Also, usually who is the mafia is totally random. I doubt Sigurd plays favorites with his roles.

Well this begs the rather more important question, what do you mean by experience?

I believe that Sigurd doesn't play favorites either, it's just I don't see him giving the murderer position to a first time player.

EDIT: We posted at the same time Subotan. I don't understand your question. First time players have not played a Mafia game and therefore wouldn't have any experience at it.

Originally Posted by Belisarius II

I believe that Sigurd doesn't play favorites either, it's just I don't see him giving the murderer position to a first time player.

That's sort of the same thing, though, isn't it?

Well, I could go through his previous games and look for examples of such, if you'd like. I honestly don't recall offhand because he's not one to host very often.

In my experience, in almost every game or every other game, "newer players" (those with lower post counts or less experience playing mafia, or newbies to the .org) end up getting important roles. Whenever you find new players, they seem to have an equal chance of such. One of the best ways to encourage newer players to stick around is to treat them equally and bless them with important roles rather than give them out to the usual suspects.

I'd hate to play a game where the host denies important roles to newer players, because then those important roles are easier to identify and that makes the game less challenging.

But I couldn't see him giving the newer players the most powerful role.

Round 4

Night

The auditorium doors opened with a bang and in strode the expedition leader.
Before anyone could announce the results of today’s voting, he announced:
“I have an announcement… I have been meditating on what is haunting this ship. There is only one answer that comes to me.”
The expedition leader paused and took a deep breath. “We are dealing with the Sith.”
Some of the older and more experienced Jedi shifted uncomfortably on their chairs, the Knights coughed hiding mirth and the Padawans and Initiates had a question mark written all over their face.

One Jedi Master replied: “Excuse me, Master … but the Sith is only ancient myth. Surely there must be another explanation.”
The other Masters nodded approvingly. The expedition leader looked into the eyes of each of his audience and continued: “I can’t explain all that has happened to me, to us, in the days spent onboard, but I have rediscovered profound truths about our heritage; The Jedi religion.
Many watched with disbelief at the little man standing there at the center of the floor in front of the seated auditorium. A very few however looked thoughtful and nodded, but just enough to not be noticed.
He was spouting heresies towards the scientific ways of the Jedi. The Jedi was beyond religion.
The expedition leader continued: ”I believe the Sith are here among us, in this very room. You need to find them before they destroy all of us. If I hadn’t thought this ship was very important for the Jedi and the universe, we would already be on our way back to Coruscant on the boarding craft. I believe if we returned now – the Sith would come with us and there would be another Empire ruling our Republic in a not too distant future.
We need to stay put and root out this evil that has befallen us. And we need to find them fast. They are gaining in strength every day they get to roam free.”

“Ok… what have you got for me?”
The Jedi member with the tally stepped hesitantly forward with today’s voting tally.
The expedition leader took one look at it and continued: “It seems you have picked a clear candidate. Will someone please apprehend Dhidal Nyz?”
A couple of Knights encircled Dhidal who looked resigned. I guess it doesn’t help to say that I am innocent? The expedition leader looked at Dhidal with stern eyes: “Not really. We have to do this democratically. If you couldn’t convince these that you were innocent during the interrogation, they will not listen to you now.

The execution went as it did yesterday. Dhidal went peacefully and the recovered body was laid in a casket and put in the morgue.

We have a new prioritized task people, in addition to getting this ship powered up and ready to go, we need to root out the Sith infestation of this ship. Watch each other for signs of unfriendliness and unpleasantries. The Sith feed on hate and strife, the Jedi for compassion and peace. The distinction should be easy to notice.

It is night people. Remember that I should get more than one pro-town order this round.
The Sith's missing orders have not and will not be announced publicly.
Deadline 00:00 GMT+1 Monday 19th of April (roughly 24 hours from now).

Tally

TheFlax: 6 (Joooray, Methos, Sasaki, TheFlax, TinCow, Winston)

Belisarius II: 3 (Andres, Centurion1, Diamondeye)
GeneralHankerchief: 3 (ATPG, Beskar, johnhugh)
Beskar: 2 (GH, pever)
Thermal: 1 (atheotes)
atheotes: 1 (autolycus)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (Belisarius)
Joooray: 1 (Chaotix)
Lord Winter: 1 (Diana)
Secura: 1 (Niklas)
Sasaki: 1 (Renata)
A Very Super Marked: 1 (Subotan)

not voting: 11 (AVSM, Greyblades, Jolt, Kage, Lord W, Psycho, Secura, Thermal, WE:D, Yaropolk, Yaseikhaan)

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Lynched:

a completely innocent name
TheFlax

Killed:

Beefy187
Husar
Captain Blackadder
Khazaar
Csargo
Ibn-Khaldun

Alive:

A Very Super Market
Andres
Askthepizzaguy
atheotes
autolycus
Belisarius II
Beskar
Centurion1
Chaotix
Diamondeye
Diana Abnoba
GeneralHankerchief
Greyblades
johnhughthom
Jolt
Joooray
Kagemusha
Lord Winter
Methos
Niklas
pevergreen
Psychonaut
Renata
Sasaki Kojiro
Secura
Subotan
Thermal Mercury
TinCow
White_eyes:D
Winston Hughes
Yaropolk
Yaseikhaan

Clearly not Sith, but Dhidal Nyz does not sound like a role that would be good for the Jedi. I think we did well here.

Originally Posted by Belisarius II

But I couldn't see him giving the newer players the most powerful role.

You'd be surprised at how often a first-time player is a mafia.

It is night people. Remember that I should get more than one pro-town order this round.
The Sith's missing orders have not and will not be announced publicly.

Wait, that means... Thermal Mercury is Mafia?

He says he sent in an order, and I know I am pro-town I sent in an order...

Originally Posted by Beskar

Wait, that means... Thermal Mercury is Mafia?

He says he sent in an order, and I know I am pro-town I sent in an order...

Did he say he sent one in before the announcement in the thread by Sigurd?