StarWars: Return of the Sith [Concluded]

[Secura]

Who is "he" in this last sentece? Beskar or your suspect? And how are you getting from those two games to Methos=Mace?

I'm referring to Beskar here; he accurately ascertained the roles of every single player in D20s 3 within a single phase of joining the game, far beyond what the rest of us learned. He also claimed to me privately that he has figured out the R&R game from the very first phase.

In both of these games, he was allied with Methos regardless of alignment; he has a pretty good idea of how he plays and he knows that Methos seems to lean towards trusting you and telling you things. I have made that same assessment in a previous game myself. It isn't too much of a jump for Beskar to believe Methos to be Mace Windu, I think, considering it had to be someone who felt they could confide in you and tell you their role.

In any case Beskar clearly did link Methos to Mace, or he wouldn't have fished for confirmation in such a brazen way as he did.

When did he ask you for confirmation that it was Methos?

[Secura]

Indeed... don't reveal unless it's a) absolutely necessary for your survival

Please remember that Beskar was revealed because I didn't believe his claims of pseudo-Godhood; a character that is lynch-immune and can self-protect is going to draw anyone's suspicion, regardless of who you are. I would have been doing a disservice to everyone if I had been privy to that information and kept it to myself.

[Joooray]

Vote: Abstain

I have no idea what is going on except that I'm not going to join that "once about pressure" bandwagon on Beskar. I seem to haven ended up in one of those on TheFlax last day phase already.

All in all there is a lot of noise with little substance in my mind so far in the thread. It's funny, although it doesn't seem to be set up with multiple factions like Shadow Fort, there seems to be even more infighting in this game then in the later.

[Renata]

@ Secura -- Yeah, my friendship with Methos isn't exactly a big secret, which is one reason I hope he doesn't choose me as his middleman anymore! (The other reason being that, even given that issue, I still screwed it up.)

Here is Beskar's fishing expedition: (edit to use Beskar's screenname. times US EDT)

4/16/2010 4:24:42 PM Beskar I heard Methos is Mace Windu, is that true?
4/16/2010 4:25:01 PM Renata somebody claiming something they have no knowledge of?
4/16/2010 4:25:18 PM Beskar they are claiming Methos is Mace Windu
4/16/2010 4:25:31 PM Beskar not sure if it is correct or not, but they say they are working with him
4/16/2010 4:25:42 PM Renata i believe that is false
4/16/2010 4:25:51 PM Beskar ok, thank you
4/16/2010 4:25:54 PM Renata yw
4/16/2010 4:28:55 PM Renata who is this person?
4/16/2010 4:29:12 PM Beskar Subotan
4/16/2010 4:29:26 PM Renata why would he lie?
4/16/2010 4:30:17 PM Renata methos says he's not working with subotan in any capacity, btw
4/16/2010 4:30:29 PM Beskar ok
4/16/2010 4:30:40 PM Renata why would subotan lie?
4/16/2010 4:31:03 PM Beskar probably for the lulz
4/16/2010 4:31:18 PM Beskar since I should be able to validate it or not
4/16/2010 4:31:24 PM Beskar according to my claims
4/16/2010 4:31:46 PM Renata it's weird because i do talk to methos
4/16/2010 4:32:30 PM Renata but subotan shouldn't know that i'm your source in order to make such a directed comment
4/16/2010 4:32:49 PM Renata have you told him?
4/16/2010 4:33:02 PM Beskar just said "keep up the good work" rofl

It seemed likely to be a lie from Beskar, because Subotan has no reason to connect me and Methos the way Beskar would have, but I asked Subotan about it, with the result you saw in the thread.

[Beskar]

My previous engagement was this:

You walk near to where Askthepizzaguy is without him noticing. You stretch your feelings out and get a reading of him.

- You feel that there is conflict in him. That he is susceptible to the Dark Side of the force.

If you wanted to know. I never touched Methos.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote:Pizza

Beskar wagon has enough votes at the moment and I don't have time to sort it out.

fos:beskar, secura, belisarius

-edit-

(vote not based on beskar's post btw)

[Diamondeye]

Since Psychonaut seems to think it's scummy to be voting Beskar for pressure, I want to make sure that he's understood that my vote's intended to be a "reveal or die" vote. The "die" option seems to be the likely outcome. Which is absolutely fair when you take Beskar's behaviour into account. As Andres said, even if he's protown, it's his own fault.

[Andres]

Please remember that Beskar was revealed because I didn't believe his claims of pseudo-Godhood; a character that is lynch-immune and can self-protect is going to draw anyone's suspicion, regardless of who you are. I would have been doing a disservice to everyone if I had been privy to that information and kept it to myself.

Given the circumstances, you did the right thing by giving that info to town.

[atheotes]

putting aside the MSN conversations for a minute... I believe this is the first time we are seeing a role-block(?) mentioned in the write-up. Is it because this is the first time some one has been role-blocked (or whatever it is)? I dont think some one with that power will have waited for so long to use it. Either it was a newly acquired power or there is more significance to this particular action.

If it was mafia who had dual powers to kill and role-block, we should still have seen this action out to use earlier in the game atleast on Beskar. The only exception is if the scum were aware of Beskar's actions and did not see the need to use it to kind of quasi-validate his innocence.

[Andres]

My previous engagement was this:


If you wanted to know. I never touched Methos.

Can you give the results of all your previous night actions, please.

Funny that your investigation went through, while some think that the thing that happened to you was a role block.

So either you're lying or you didn't get role blocked last night. Any idea what it was, if it wasn't a block?

[Secura]

My previous engagement was this:

And that is what I've been waiting all day for.

vote: Pizza

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Wasn't secura trying to pre-excuse a lack of result or something?

[atheotes]

Please remember that Beskar was revealed because I didn't believe his claims of pseudo-Godhood; a character that is lynch-immune and can self-protect is going to draw anyone's suspicion, regardless of who you are. I would have been doing a disservice to everyone if I had been privy to that information and kept it to myself.

That was a win-win situation even if you were mafia

[atheotes]

And that is what I've been waiting all day for.

vote: Pizza

have you seen other investigation results?

[Secura]

Wasn't secura trying to pre-excuse a lack of result or something?

The write-up seemed to imply a role-block, and Beskar has only just logged onto MSN within the last ten minutes to inform me of his results.

That was a win-win situation even if you were mafia

That is true, yes, except all it did was make me look scummy; you may lynch me if you believe I'm Sith.

[Secura]

have you seen other investigation results?

I knew Beskar intended to investigate Pizza, and stated as such in-thread a few pages back.

He asked what I thought of the target and I agreed it was a good option based upon my own observations of Pizza at the time.

[Kagemusha]

You're missing the point. The first couple votes were to get Beskie to prove his investigative ability. Everyone after that point is seeing an opportunity to hide for a round and get to killing again.

Well that is the standard assumption, which also could be used to defend Beskar. How i see it Beskie is at that Beskar is the top lynch right now and any cold headed mafia wont be scared about couple votes coming his direction. Its the fear of end for their game that makes them do mistakes. Couple pressure votes are nothing but a semantic move to make yourself look productive. Unless Beskar cant clear himself his lynch is the right thing to do and people talking against it make it instantly to my suspect list.

[Diamondeye]

Right, good to have a single revealed order on the table, but I'm keeping my vote here until we have another three, Beskar. What you've done until now is telling everyone (including the Sith) that Pizza is convertible. Looks to me like dragging him down with you by making him a liability to the town (even if he isn't suspectible to conversion).

[Beskar]

Sorry, was going the entire thread. I would like to give some facts out, since everyone has the wrong idea.

There is no pro-town network. Seriously, there isn't. The only way I knew about Mace Windu through Renata, which Renata never told me who it was. Only the person who is above initiate basically was claiming expedition master, Renata (some random padawan) and some one claiming Anakin Skywalker. In these cases I never told anyone who was investigated, their results or revealed any pro-town.

So did the "Pro-town network" fail? The fact there isn't one meant it didn't fail and the fact I told no one identities, means there were no leaking of information, unless people did it themselves.

Last night, I investigated AskthePizzaGuy, this was on reasoning there was meant to be a leak. Csargo claimed to be lynch immune and was night killed, and based on that, and the time thing, left AskthePizzaguy, TheFlax and Niklas as the only ones around. TheFlax was lynched, I investigated ATPG last night. Niklas was claiming he just got home drunk, hence the time problem, hence I went along with it.

As for "role-blocked", I wasn't roleblocked. The Sith tried to convert me, but failed since I haven't killed anyone, thus I am not suspectible. Anyone claiming to have roleblocked me is infact a Sith. These need to be lynched.

[Kagemusha]

So you havent had any personal communications with Methos during the game?

[TinCow]

And that is what I've been waiting all day for.

vote: Pizza

So ATPG can be recruited... but so can Beskar. Why is ATPG such a great lynch on that basis if Beskar is not?

[Beskar]

Also, there are many reasons not for me to be lynched, as I am currently the strongest pro-town role in the game. (according to Sigurd to me in Private)

The reason I posted Pizza's results was no one would believe me otherwise, I am sorry to do that to Pizza, but I had to shut up the detractors.

This bandwagon is motivated by Sith, because they just tried to recruit me and failed, and know this. The other people on this bandwagon are metagamers, because they blame some imaginary pro-town network which doesn't actually exist and want to use me as their target. The rest are most likely confused townies who are simply that, confused.


There is zero reason for the to attempt Jedi to lynch me.

This is pretty much all I am saying on the matter, unless anyone has some constructive questions they would like me to answer. If you have a problem with this request, please take it up with GeneralHankerchief.

[Secura]

So ATPG can be recruited... but so can Beskar. Why is ATPG such a great lynch on that basis if Beskar is not?

Beskar is immune to conversion currently; he is not susceptible to the Dark Side until he begins to night-kill, which he states he has not done so thus far.

Counter that with suspicions I've had about Pizza, and my choice is obvious.

[Andres]

So ATPG can be recruited... but so can Beskar. Why is ATPG such a great lynch on that basis if Beskar is not?

Beskar says the Sith tried to recruit him, but it failed

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Let's lynch pizza. I think someone posted a transcript of him rolefishing a while back.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Also, there are many reasons not for me to be lynched, as I am currently the strongest pro-town role in the game. (according to Sigurd to me in Private)

The reason I posted Pizza's results was no one would believe me otherwise, I am sorry to do that to Pizza, but I had to shut up the detractors.

This bandwagon is motivated by Sith, because they just tried to recruit me and failed, and know this. The other people on this bandwagon are metagamers, because they blame some imaginary pro-town network which doesn't actually exist and want to use me as their target. The rest are most likely confused townies who are simply that, confused.


There is zero reason for the to attempt Jedi to lynch me.

This is pretty much all I am saying on the matter, unless anyone has some constructive questions they would like me to answer. If you have a problem with this request, please take it up with GeneralHankerchief.

Beskar, what happens if you have the most votes at the end of the round?

[Beskar]

So ATPG can be recruited... but so can Beskar. Why is ATPG such a great lynch on that basis if Beskar is not?

I can't be recruited untill I kill some one. since I haven't killed anyone, I can't be recruited, hence why their attempt failed. This goes on for other people in the similar situation as me. such as Mace Windu. Since he has now died, you can ask him yourself.

[Methos]

So ATPG can be recruited... but so can Beskar. Why is ATPG such a great lynch on that basis if Beskar is not?

So could I. There is nothing in my PM saying I wasn't lynch immune and had I used my ability I would have taken the chance each time of moving to the Dark Side. So Beskar, had you scanned me, I would have shown recruitable. Yet, I'm Mace Windu! :sarcasm:

[Andres]

Let's lynch pizza. I think someone posted a transcript of him rolefishing a while back.

What have you been up to, the previous nights?

[Beskar]

Beskar, what happens if you have the most votes at the end of the round?

The town loses a pro-town role.