StarWars: Return of the Sith [Concluded]

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Choxorn, DE, and now Pizza need to die.

[Beskar]

How is Diamondeye still even alive?

[TinCow]

Choxorn, DE, and now Pizza need to die.

Ah, , I was hoping we had another day before a new recruit showed up. ATPG is the obvious recruit. While I would far prefer to see DE dead this round, that's not currently an option due to yesterday's idiotic voting. So, best to go for the Sith we can lynch rather than the Sith we cannot.

Vote: ATPG

[Methos]

How is Diamondeye still even alive?

Simple, DE is perfect lynch bait. He's unlynchable, so that means we waste two days lynching him, which means that's two days that we don't lynch a Sith. Or the other obvious option.

[Renata]

DE should probably not answer choxorn's question in public until he's run it past a few people in private first. He should start by talking to whomever he roleblocked. I still have an instinct that the Sith Lord may be investigation-proof, so I'm less sure of the innocence of those investigated.

It does look like someone was recruited last night. I expect if the Sith Lord can recruit twice on the same night, the Sith Lord can also kill twice on the same night, and additional actions are also probably not out of the question.

I hate to say it, but I rather agree about Pizza. Though possibly not for the same reasons. But I think we really have to remove DE's get-out-of-lynch-free card first.

As long as we're discussing people who are still alive and should not be, what did you do last night, Psychonaut?

I'm not sure what I think about being killed, and what that might mean. Same with Yaropolk.

[Beskar]

I don't think it is TinCow, I have another suspect. However, the Sith master needs to go first.

[Renata]

Simple, DE is perfect lynch bait. He's unlynchable, so that means we waste two days lynching him, which means that's two days that we don't lynch a Sith. Or the other obvious option.

But we *have to* remove the get out of lynch free card. Otherwise we could literally have ruled out everyone else as the Sith Lord a couple of days from now and still lose. And he has been SO scummy. Offering up as a defense for not protecting Chaotix that *he* suggested to Chaotix he protect someone else? That doesn't exactly help, does it?

Like I implied but didn't quite say above, on the chance he is Town he should definitely keep quiet about who he's roleblocked and possibly about who he investigated, if that person turns up innocent. Only bring it up if the person is on the verge of being lynched.

[Renata]

I don't think it is TinCow, I have another suspect. However, the Sith master needs to go first.

Let me know what you're thinking?

[TinCow]

I hate to say it, but I rather agree about Pizza. Though possibly not for the same reasons. But I think we really have to remove DE's get-out-of-lynch-free card first.

I'm seriously waffling on this issue. If you feel like making a case for why it's better strategically to go for DE this round, even though we can't kill him, I'd like to hear it. 12 alive with 2 mafioso is not a good spot to be in, and my knee-jerk reaction is to try and get rid of the new recruit to reduce the kill rate again.

As long as we're discussing people who are still alive and should not be, what did you do last night, Psychonaut?

Yes, any publicly revealed role who remains alive needs to give a full account of all their actions every single day at this point in the game.

[Beskar]

Also, are there any Jedi Masters out there who can kill? I seriously should have killed suspects in-hindsight. The reason I ask is obvious, we need to get the "scumpects" out of the game before the town loses. If we get to the last round with Diamondeye, Askthepizzaguy, Choxorn, Psychonaut, TinCow and Johnhughthom are not dead....

[Renata]

Ah, , I was hoping we had another day before a new recruit showed up. ATPG is the obvious recruit. While I would far prefer to see DE dead this round, that's not currently an option due to yesterday's idiotic voting. So, best to go for the Sith we can lynch rather than the Sith we cannot.

Vote: ATPG

This is a bad enough suggestion at first thought that it makes me wonder about you yourself being the recruit, TinCow. Removing the recruit helps us only marginally and temporarily. You were insistent on not only lynching once but killing Diamondeye outright yesterday -- now the mere appearance of a recruit has changed your mind? Explain your reasoning for changing your mind much better than you have -- right now I'm not buying it.

I think DE should be "lynched".

[Renata]

I'm seriously waffling on this issue. If you feel like making a case for why it's better strategically to go for DE this round, even though we can't kill him, I'd like to hear it. 12 alive with 2 mafioso is not a good spot to be in, and my knee-jerk reaction is to try and get rid of the new recruit to reduce the kill rate again.



Yes, any publicly revealed role who remains alive needs to give a full account of all their actions every single day at this point in the game.

I can sort of see why I was killed given no one seemed to be going after me (and given they evidently didn't feel like trying to recruit me). I don't see the reasoning on Yaropolk at all -- his behavior has been enough different this game than in Shadow Fort that he could probably have been lynched; I was thinking of him as vaguely suspicious myself though I didn't tell anyone.

As for DE: assume for a moment he is the Sith Lord. We lynch him today. Tonight two kills, down to 8 townies. Tomorrow lynch again. That night only one kill (if the recruit can ALSO recruit I think we have already lost, so let's assume he can't). Down to 7 townies, 1 mafia. That's not bad odds for an endgame.

Assume DE is the Sith Lord and we leave him alive. Assume best case and we do get the recruit (far from certain despite some weird posturing the last couple of days that has me extremely suspicious of Pizza). Based on the events of the night before last, presumably they must get two chances to recruit. If the first one works, the second is killed. If the first one can't be recruited, a try is made on the second one. Something like that. Either way odds are we wind up with one dead, and one additional recruit on that night. 9 townies alive against two mafia. And DE is *still* two lynches from death. What do we do now, repeat? Odds are we don't get it right a second time, now it's 7 townies against two mafia. And what do we do about DE?

We're in a horrible position if DE is not mafia, but I think we have to bite the bullet and just hope he is. And DE, if you're not, then just do your damnedest to hit mafia tonight. And hope you play in a less scummy fashion the next time you're pro-town.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Yeah, we hit DE today. Pizza isn't guaranteed to be the recruit. Even though the writeup last night that made it look like they were trying to recruit Luke could have been designed to keep pizza from being lynched right off.

[Secura]

And hope you play in a less scummy fashion the next time you're pro-town.

Fortune Cookie lesson of the day.

[Yaropolk]

Writeup shows 3 kill scenes, but only 2 dead people. Anyone know which 2 people are dead?

[Renata]

You and me. The other one you're thinking of is probably Githany, which appears to have been a roleblock.

[Yaropolk]

Darn, so much for the lightsaber. I can't open spoilers on Blackberry

[TinCow]

Alright, I'll keep the faith.

Unvote; Vote: Diamondeye

[Askthepizzaguy]

I was not converted last night. I am willing to abstain from voting and be scanned or roleblocked to prove it.

Until I am cleared, I will not vote unless Chaotix tells me to.

[Chaotix]

Diamondeye first revealed to me on the night that I died. If he was Sith, what motivation would he have for doing this?

-He did not know I would become a Ghost and defend him later. I did not know I would become a Ghost.
-He provided an opportunity for both myself and Obi-Wan to be protected that night. I suggested that he use his ability to protect Obi-Wan, so that I could protect myself and not leave him open to attack. Otherwise, it was a gamble between protecting me and protecting him. It also enabled me to investigate Obi-Wan that night (although, because I was killed, it didn't work).
-This move can only garner suspicion from him if he fails. He did fail, and I was suspicious of him, but this is not a move that a mafioso makes for precisely that reason! If he was mafia, he would have just killed me and been done with it, without making himself known to me first.

Diamondeye's still a bad lynch. I want to hear the results he's got.

[Chaotix]

Vote: Autolycus

ATPG, please vote for Autolycus if a bandwagon on Diamondeye forms.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Autolycus and choxorn lynch are also good.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Autolycus

ATPG, please vote for Autolycus if a bandwagon on Diamondeye forms.

Will do. I am suspect of the following people:


Most suspect

Centurion1
Subotan
johnhughthom

Fairly suspect

TinCow
autolycus
pevergreen

IMO not the Sith Lord (starting role)

Askthepizzaguy
Diamondeye
Psychonaut
Choxorn- replacement
splitpersonality- replacement
YLC- replacement



However I am suspect enough of Autolycus to vote for him. The reason why I am not as suspicious of him is because he was on the correct side of the Niklas tie. The others were on the "spare Niklas" side of the Niklas tie.


If you know better about one of those suspects than I, take that into consideration. I'm working with less info.

[Chaotix]

Keep in mind that Choxorn, YLC, and split could easily be the newly converted Sith apprentice.

[TinCow]

Diamondeye first revealed to me on the night that I died. If he was Sith, what motivation would he have for doing this?

-He did not know I would become a Ghost and defend him later. I did not know I would become a Ghost.
-He provided an opportunity for both myself and Obi-Wan to be protected that night. I suggested that he use his ability to protect Obi-Wan, so that I could protect myself and not leave him open to attack. Otherwise, it was a gamble between protecting me and protecting him. It also enabled me to investigate Obi-Wan that night (although, because I was killed, it didn't work).
-This move can only garner suspicion from him if he fails. He did fail, and I was suspicious of him, but this is not a move that a mafioso makes for precisely that reason! If he was mafia, he would have just killed me and been done with it, without making himself known to me first.

Is there anything about Diamondeye's actions outside the thread that has made your suspicious of him?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Keep in mind that Choxorn, YLC, and split could easily be the newly converted Sith apprentice.

This I know. But I am more focused on who is the Sith Lord. Killing him is a priority.

Unless we gain more abilities, the game would seem unbalanced if the recruits were as powerful as their masters. I believe defeating the other starting Sith should give us an advantage.

[Yaropolk]

Don't forget, DE stripped niklas of his breath control ability to enable the lynch. He wouldn't do it if he was his partner.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Don't forget, DE stripped niklas of his breath control ability to enable the lynch. He wouldn't do it if he was his partner.

Indeed. I had forgotten that, thank you Yaropolk.

Both of your votes this round have been unimpressive, Tincow.

[Chaotix]

Is there anything about Diamondeye's actions outside the thread that has made your suspicious of him?

Yes, actually.

The fact that I revealed a few roles to him, and a couple of them were killed. However, Yaropolk makes a really good case, better than mine:

Diamondeye both investigated Niklas and found him guilty, AND removed his extra life so we could lynch him. All before he went public with his role, so it's not as if he was forced to do so.

[Choxorn]

Although I'm tempted to vote Diamondeye, I have to admit Chaotix and Yaro make a good point.