StarWars: Return of the Sith [Concluded]

[pevergreen]

I apologise, let us all bow to the wisdom of a dead player who isnt the host.

[Chaotix]

Based on all of the above revelations, the best way to win this game as the town:

-Find out who both of the Sith are, and let them live.
-Lynch them, one after another, in the last two rounds.
-Protect the original Grand Master the whole way and don't let him die.

Strong Grand Master vs. Weak Dark Lord

If only we had known about this earlier...

[Chaotix]

Also, Vote: Subotan

Some chance is better than no chance.

[seireikhaan]

I must say, if the game has come down as I am perceiving it, I am... most disappointed. No offense intended, Sigurd, but I take TC's view. It looks as though the town had very little chance. I admit that I was mistaken about Beskar. However, there surely must be more to the colossal town failure than early paranoia. Too many sith, too easy of recruitment, and apparently almost nobody who was "resistant" to the dark side. I think TC summarized it best- a blind man playing whack-a-mole. I think he may have had a hammer, but for all I know, that may have been illusory as well.

[Niklas]

Never claimed to be town aligned even when technically town aligned, never claimed to be mafia even when mafia aligned.

So you decided not to play the game Sigurd offered, but decide on your own game mechanics instead, messing it up for the rest of us. While I do enjoy role-playing in these kinds of games, it has to be done within the framework of the rules. First and foremost we are playing a game, with mechanics given by the host. Doing anything else might make sense in a free-form role-playing game, but not here.

I remember my very first Night of the Werewolves game over at CFC. It was a brilliant game, both the mechanics and the storyline were really interesting. We all played mages trapped in a form of eternal prison/protection bubble that we ourselves had created to shield ourselves from a world-wide cataclysm. The mafia killers were a kind of angels sent to end our unnatural existence, and we would finally be able to escape if we killed them. We lost that game to the angels because one of the town decided that his (totally town) character would rather die by the sword of an angel than live an unnaturally extended life. He just couldn't understand the concept of game mechanics, and was actually upset when the host wouldn't list him as a winner along with the angels at the end. Apparently pevergreen is just as bad, deciding on his own kind of "victory" and screwing the rest of us for it.

So in the end, town wins this game because of a random 50-50 dice role between whether to recruit pevergreen or ATPG. Way to go. I still think you should all join me in voting pevergreen today, even if that means less chances for town to win. Would it truly feel good to win this game only by standing on the shoulders of pevergreen's stupidity?

Yes, I'm bitter.

However, there surely must be more to the colossal town failure than early paranoia.

Well, regardless of might-have-beens, you still failed to lynch Subotan before the very final rounds when we dropped all pretense. And you lynched me due to a stoopid mistake on my part. So even had the game been exactly what you thought it was, it would still have been a colossal town failure. No offense, of course.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Lynching Subotan wouldn't have done anything when he had Force Breath, though.

[Niklas]

It would have taken two lynches to take him down, yes. My point still stands.

[pevergreen]

So in the end, town wins this game because of a random 50-50 dice role between whether to recruit pevergreen or ATPG. Way to go. I still think you should all join me in voting pevergreen today, even if that means less chances for town to win. Would it truly feel good to win this game only by standing on the shoulders of pevergreen's stupidity?

I take offence good sir.

Let's not be unfriendly... - Sigurd

[Secura]

I think that pevergreen's choices are great, actually... they're so typically Sith and I think that he can be proud of taking such a stance. Don't let this descend into flinging insults at one another, though... it's just mafia, that's how things happen.

I have to agree with TinCow and Yaseikhann, though... I recall something that Renata said in a game a few months back that pretty much summarises my own sentiments about the game: "I've never felt more useless as a townie".

When Renata said that she felt like she was nothing more than kill fodder in Noblesse Oblige, I wondered what she meant, but now it's obvious to me; I was unrecruitable by Sith, completely unable to use a lightsaber or the Force... I found the game really interesting to read and it was genuinely riveting to watch how things unfolded, but I have to be honest and say that I found it utterly boring to play because I felt so useless in the grand scheme of things. The new information that's come to light regarding an infinite cycle of Sith recruitment merely reinforces this notion for me.

I had looked forward to the game from the very moment I joined the Org, but found that the game was ultimately more interesting after I'd died. :/

[Beskar]

I admit that I was mistaken about Beskar.

Understatement of the year, yousillykhaan.

[pevergreen]

I think that pevergreen's choices are great, actually... they're so typically Sith and I think that he can be proud of taking such a stance.

Thank you. As I said to ATPG, is it not the duty of the apprentice to take over from his master? More often by killing him? Strike me down and give in to the dark side etc.

Do night orders absolutely have to go through the Sith quicktopic?

Ambitions..have we?

You can make official orders in the QT, and change them via PM later after I have made the confirmed statement.
I told Subotan this early in the game too. But he opted not to go up against his master, as I warned him that it could backfire. The Master is the more powerful Sith.

Sigurd

So perhaps subotan was thinking about it as well?

Hmmmm. How annoyed would you be if that happened Niklas. Sigurd has hosted enough games to know when he can let mafia attack their own team.

[TinCow]

So in the end, town wins this game because of a random 50-50 dice role between whether to recruit pevergreen or ATPG. Way to go. I still think you should all join me in voting pevergreen today, even if that means less chances for town to win. Would it truly feel good to win this game only by standing on the shoulders of pevergreen's stupidity?

Well, let's be fair here. You got stupendously lucky when you were given Psychonaut. Random.org gave you as your recruit a Master who had been publicly cleared by two roleblocks. You won the recruitment lotto on that one. Had you gained a simple Padawan or a powerless Knight, this game would have taken a much different course.

[Niklas]

Well, let's be fair here. You got stupendously lucky when you were given Psychonaut. Random.org gave you as your recruit a Master who had been publicly cleared by two roleblocks. You won the recruitment lotto on that one. Had you gained a simple Padawan or a powerless Knight, this game would have taken a much different course.

There are always endless opportunities for might-have-beens to speculate about. Psychonaut was not who I would personally have chosen at that point, I would have thought him too much lynch-bait still, but I'm certainly not displeased with the result of it. I would like to think that we could have done well regardless of who we were dealt at that time though, assuming the recruit were willing to play with their new team, which Psychonaut did with the honor. But as I started out saying, that's speculation only. Here and now we have a concrete case where we can directly observe the bizarre outcome of a 50-50 roll.

[Winston Hughes]

Why are people complaining about the game setup before it's been fully revealed?

And why is anyone paying attention to Niklas at all?

You never read this. Move along...*

I'm going to bite my tongue here, and avoid giving any response to this, other than to suggest you never mention it again.

*Jedi Mind trick employed

[Andres]

Luck has always been an important factor in mafia games. A last minute vote switch, an unintended error in the tally, somebody missing the deadline, being lucky with protections/investigations/kills, etc.

I for one had great fun with this game until halfway through, after which I got lost because I wasn't part of the behind the scenes action. I still enjoyed the write-ups and kept following from a distance with interest.

I think it's a bit unfair towards Sigurd to complain about the game mechanics while the game still hasn't ended and the game mechanics haven't been revealed and explained yet. I'm a bit disappointed about the lack of courtesy to the host shown in the last few pages.

As far as I'm concerned, even if it is a last man standing with infinite recruitment ability kinda game, it was still very enjoyable and I had great fun.

Maybe it's just me, but I've always been someone who's happy when the road is enjoyable, regardless of the destination being defeat or victory.

In this game, the road certainly was very enjoyable aka I had fun. In the end, that's all that matters to me

[Askthepizzaguy]

Luck has always been an important factor in mafia games. A last minute vote switch, an unintended error in the tally, somebody missing the deadline, being lucky with protections/investigations/kills, etc.

I must hear about this one, master Andres.

I think it's a bit unfair towards Sigurd to complain about the game mechanics while the game still hasn't ended and the game mechanics haven't been revealed and explained yet. I'm a bit disappointed about the lack of courtesy to the host shown in the last few pages.

Yeah, I would want to reserve judgement until I see how it worked. If only the original Sith could recruit, that would be very balanced. And there may be other balancing mechanisms I don't know about. Plus I'm the last surviving Jedi and the two living Sith would rather kill each other, so..... yeah.

In this game, the road certainly was very enjoyable aka I had fun. In the end, that's all that matters to me

I saw how much effort Sigurd put into this game. It blows away what I had in mind for a large mafia Star Wars game, for sure. I'd never have been able to accomplish what Sigurd has done here. The writeups were phenomenal, the official "Star Wars Return of the Sith" images, the detailed role PMs, the twists and turns...

It's fair to say there's experimental elements to this game. If there are some imbalances but the game was still theoretically winnable, that's good enough.

[Renata]

vote: Subotan

I'll go with the only living townie, whatever my private opinions one way or the other. Peace to all.

[Husar]

Well, regardless of might-have-beens, you still failed to lynch Subotan before the very final rounds when we dropped all pretense. And you lynched me due to a stoopid mistake on my part. So even had the game been exactly what you thought it was, it would still have been a colossal town failure. No offense, of course.

Well, regardless of the should-have-beens, you still failed to keep your identities secret and placed a bet on everything working as you had it planned, and that behaviour is now biting you in the ***.
And yes, you're very bitter, have some chocolate.
And besides, it happens in Sigurd-games all the time, you are on the perfect road to victory and then it all collapses, I can tell you the story of the town-defeat in Midgard Saga sometime...

Understatement of the year, yousillykhaan.

Pouring salt into the wound, are you?
Maybe Niklas can give you some of that chocolate...

I think it's a bit unfair towards Sigurd to complain about the game mechanics while the game still hasn't ended and the game mechanics haven't been revealed and explained yet. I'm a bit disappointed about the lack of courtesy to the host shown in the last few pages.

Well, I'm a Sigurd-fanboy, but I complained about previous Sigurd games as well, in the end they're usually worth playing though and the fact that not everything plays out perfectly is the price you have to pay for playing some of the most innovative and interesting mafia games I've seen in this place.
So yeah, stop complaining about the game and wait for it to end first, then rip him apart.

[Secura]

The writeups were phenomenal, the official "Star Wars Return of the Sith" images, the detailed role PMs, the twists and turns...

I totally agree on this, the breadth of the story and how you meshed together so many different characters from different eras of Star Wars so effectively and without it seeming out of place... that was fantastic, Sigurd. :3

[Yaropolk]

Question for the sith then, did I get targetted for a night kill, or did random . org choose me for conversion, but since I was unconvertible, I died.

[pevergreen]

Question for the sith then, did I get targetted for a night kill, or did random . org choose me for conversion, but since I was unconvertible, I died.

Looks like it was a delib kill

[Niklas]

There have been no failed conversion attempts.

[Askthepizzaguy]

There have been no failed conversion attempts.

That's nifty, so the whole thing about pretending to try to convert Diana, etc.... was that all you or was that Sigurd?

[Niklas]

All writeups but one have been Sigurd's own, including any misdirection (except one thing). The only writeup I did was the death of Csargo, because I felt unusually inspired. And the one exception to the misdirection thing was that he asked me if I had any final words when I was to be lynched. I just had to use the perfect misdirection quote, which, as I remarked to Sigurd, was almost designed for this purpose.

[Sigurd]

Let's do the game analysis after the game is finished...

[Sigurd]

Round 18

Night

The trio of survivors all scowled at each other. None trusted any of the other. Finally the silence broke and accusations were thrown everywhere. Even the ethereal beings were joining in. Votes were cast and at the end of it Streen had yet again majority. Darth Nihl stood looking at the floor with a hand stroking his temples. Maybe they had grown too cocky, maybe they should have been more restrictive in their taunting and maybe, just maybe they would have been able to sway the votes. But it was too late. Streen had the most votes and there was little one could do about it now.
The ethereal beings of former Jedi Masters and Grand Masters moved behind Nomi Sunrider who uttered. “Streen… or should I rather say Darth Krayt!! You have been found guilty to murders. What say you?”
The being formerly known as Streen, hissed and got up with a speed that made his movements blur. The ethereal beings had laid their hands on Nomi’s shoulders and were feeding her force power. Nomi erected a force barrier around herself. Darkness enveloped Darth Krayt as he gathered the dark force around him. Glowing amber eyes appeared in the darkness and a sinister voice spoke. “You… my apprentice, have betrayed me. Only death and dishonor awaits those that betray the Sith.” Blue energy shot from the hands of Darth Krayt and Kyp Durron fell to the floor in agony. Nomi Sunrider looked at the display for raw force punishing the writhing Kyp. She knew that if she didn’t intervene she would be next, but if she didn’t, then she would be rid of her next opponent. Nomi made a decision and drew upon the channeled force.

Darth Krayt cackled as he saw his apprentice about to perish. “Hahahahahah… Now feel the wrath of the dark side. DIE!!!!”
Darth Krayt, the Dark Lord of the Sith went sailing through the air and hit the wall with an immense force. Bones crushed in the impact and he fell to the floor unconscious.
The smoking Kyp Durron, looked up at Nomi and her outstretched hand with amber eyes of hatred. He had failed in taking an opportunity to overturn his master and seize the full power of the dark side. He had failed were this usurper of a woman; the so called Grand Master of the pitiful Jedi had succeeded. He utterly hated her for it, and his amber eyes betrayed him. The ethereal being of Darth Nihl seemed to enjoy the spectacle as he just stood there smirking.

Nomi Sunrider lifted the unconscious Darth Krayt with the force and walked out the door. The ethereal beings waited in the auditorium surrounding Kyp Durron.
Darth Krayt was finally thrown out of the hangar to space vacuum and within moments his body died.
In the auditorium a bright light appeared next to Darth Nihl’s ethereal being and Darth Krayt appeared. In the confusion Kyp managed to sneak away.
When Nomi Sunrider arrived back at the auditorium, there were only ethereal beings there. “Where is Kyp Durron?” she asked. The ethereal beings looked around and just shrugged.
Nomi knew what this meant. She had to find him and stop this once and forever.

Final night actions is needed no later than 22:00 GMT+1 Sunday 15th of May (24 hours from now)…

Tally:
Subotan: 6 (ATPG, atheotes, Chaotix, Diamondeye (Renata), pever, TinCow)
pevergreen: 2 (Niklas, Subotan)

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Lynched:

a completely innocent name
TheFlax
Belisarius II
Yaseikhaan
Thermal Mercury
Greyblades
Niklas
White_eyes:D
autolycus
Centurion1
Psychonaut

Killed:

Beefy187
Husar
Captain Blackadder
Khazaar
Csargo
Ibn-Khaldun
Methos
Andres
Beskar
Winston Hughes
Chaotix
Sasaki Kojiro
Joooray
Kagemusha
Secura
atheotes
GeneralHankerchief
Diana Abnoba
Yaropolk
Renata
YLC
Choxorn
johnhughthom
splitpersonality
TinCow
Diamondeye
Subotan

Force Ghost:

Chaotix
atheotes
Niklas
TinCow
Diamondeye
Subotan

Alive:

Askthepizzaguy
pevergreen

[Belisarius II]

Dun, dun, duuunnn

[Subotan]

We could just end this phase here and now with PEVERGREEN's death, but whatever.

[pevergreen]

I don't hate Nomi.

I want to get with her.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Who wouldn't? She even turns the heads of female Jedi.