Pizza what did you think?
Since I got no reply, I presume you didn't like.
I am inorz!
Not this time/ GAH!!
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Master Durron-
Somewhere inside of this new Dark Lord, I still sense you... and another lesson from the Jedi holocron, I have to teach you.
To release you from this prison, and allow you to rejoin your friends, your assistance I require. Help me in defeating this master of the dark side, you can. Like a flame, burning brightly, is the light side of the force; illuminate our path forward, it will. Help me to penetrate this shadow cloak, you must. Stretch out with your feelings... it matters not what feelings they are. Be they anger, or lust, or hate, or pain... immerse yourself in these feelings. Enhance them.... radiate out with these emotions, and betray the location of the Sith Lord, and aid me in the struggle against this dark warrior, you will.
But the fear of loss, you should not feel, as I do not. Death is a natural part of life. The flame of the light side can never be extinguished. It is essential to the Force.... and without it, life could not exist. Even the very nature of the Dark Side betrays a path to the Light Side. Whenever there is anger, there is always a chance for calmness instead. Wherever there is hatred, there is always a path to forgiveness. Intertwined, the light and the darkness are. While quick and easy is the impatient path to the Dark Side, always stronger will be the patient path. Even the Dark Lords of the Sith understand the value of patience, or destroy themselves in their haste, they do. In order to overcome the light side of the force, knowledge of it must remain. So weak is the dark side, that it must use the light to prevail against it.
On the surface, the universe that surrounds us, both within and outside of the ship, seems to be a field of coldness, emptiness and darkness, with only rare instances of light and warmth. An illusion, this is: in reality, that light and warmth radiates out, spreading in all directions, its influence reaching almost everywhere. It is instead the darkness which is rare, and light which is the dominant presence. Even in total darkness, there is still radiance. Fear of the dark places is not needed. So too should we not fear the dark side, nor should we fear death. Even when death comes, we simply return to the light.
Once defeated this Dark Lord of the Sith is, darkness will consume him; and return to the light once more, Jedi Master Durron will.
Last edited by Askthepizzaguy; 05-18-2010 at 04:28.
#Winstontoostrong
#Montytoostronger
Destiny has cheated me,
by forcing me to decide upon,
the woman that I idolise,
or the powers of a sith lord.
Without these powers,
I can't complete,
the killing that was captivating her,
but if I keep them,
and she murders me,
then she probably won't,
want me dating her...
I promise I'll pay more attention to you once you're dead.![]()
#Winstontoostrong
#Montytoostronger
You guys are having just too much fun with this, I see.(very entertaining).
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Sultry Mafia Babe
Diana Abnoba- Goddess of the Hunt
I'm sure we can all agree that Mara Jade was sexier than all of you fugly people combined.![]()
You should have just drove off in the ship as soon as pevergreen went outside the door and left him behind.
Days since the Apocalypse began
"We are living in space-age times but there's too many of us thinking with stone-age minds" | How to spot a Humanist
"Men of Quality do not fear Equality." | "Belief doesn't change facts. Facts, if you are reasonable, should change your beliefs."
Round 19
Day
Nomi Sunrider searched the hallways for Kyp Durron, but couldn’t find him. The snake had escaped and probably was hiding in some advantage point where he would assault her should she come by.
She was nearing one of the destroyed parts of the crew quarters and saw how the force could be utilized in the wrong hands. She knew that she had to get rid of Kyp Durron. He was not savable, the dark side had utterly corrupted him. The destructive element that was a Dark Lord of the Sith had to be eliminated to ensure the peace and safety of the galaxy. She recognized this area from the tales in the auditorium. This was where Count Dooku was killed by being ejected out into cold space.
Nomi felt sorry for the guy. So much distrust in a Master of his trade. Had he been alive today he would probably be one of, if not the strongest Jedi around.
She could see where Dooku had been ejected out into space. The hole was still there and the automatic hull breach system was keeping the air inside.
She moved past the breach and towards the part of the hallway which were not damaged. She suddenly felt a danger looming. Nomi quickly erected a force field around her for protection and walked more carefully. She couldn’t see Kyp, but sensed his immediate proximity.
Suddenly she felt the world spinning and her knees faltering. Nomi knew that she was under attack and that she would lose if she didn’t act fast. But she didn’t know where the attack came from and could therefore not react accordingly. She felt as if her life force was being dragged away from her and she was getting desperate. She leashed out with what she got; a blinding flash erupted from her hand, illuminating everything in the hallway as if noon day had entered. Her assailant apparently lost all concentration because he was suddenly there in the middle of the hallway rubbing his eyes.
Nomi saw her chance and took it. Blue energy cascaded from her hands and danced on Kyp’s body. Kyp went down like a sack, body writhing. Nomi stood over him drawing energy from the air around her and expelling it from her hands. Kyp turned with begging teary eyes. Nomi hesitated a brief moment and that was all Kyp needed. He jumped up and quickly erected a force barrier around him before Nomi realized her mistake and pushed the energy with more vigor. But this time it had no effect. The blue lightening danced on his protective barrier and did more damage to the immediate surrounding than on Kyp himself.
Kyp just stood there snarling at her with amber eyes full of hatred.
Nomi was soon dry of the force and had to let the lightening torrent subside. She drew her lightsabre and ignited it. The familiar blue hue lit the hallway up. Kyp drew his own blade and a crimson hue mixed with the blue.
Kyp began his attack and Nomi defended herself like only a Grand Master could. The plasma blades rang in the hallway and bursts of light struck the walls, floor and ceiling as plasma against plasma met. This was obviously an even match. The Dark Lord of the Sith against the Grand Master of the Jedi, the supposedly two most powerful beings in the galaxy. Kyp got in a lucky swing and graced the arm of Nomi who howled from the burning scar that appeared.
She drew a little force and expelled it in Kyp’s direction. He slammed into the wall with great force and hits the floor like a sack of wheat.
Nomi clutched her burned arm but held on to the burning lightsaber. Kyp only momentarily stunned gets up and advances on Nomi.
Nomi is ready; she has already planned what to do next.
Kyp attacks and swings his blade wide. Nomi strikes the floor with her lightsaber and sparks are exploding from it and momentarily blinds Kyp.
She uses force speed and makes a run for it towards where Dooku used to live. Kyp sees her escape and follows suit.
Nomi Sunrider is standing in the middle of the hallway waiting for the approaching Kyp Durron. As he nears he leaps up ready to strike her down. But Nomi is ready. She flings her lightsaber at the emergency structural containment field control panel, the same which controls the seal of the hull breach. As it strikes, the containment field simply vanishes and the hallway and all that are in it are suddenly subject to cold space and its vacuum. The air and debris are violently sucked out through the breach hole. Kyp Durron are sucked trough.
Kyp Durron not able to keep his vitals alive in space vacuum any longer, suffocates in the hazardous cold environment and he soon dies. Nomi Sunrider which is able to keep her life vitals alive in this harsh environment are able to hold on until the pressure is equalized. There is no air in this section and she is able to move to a nearby turbo lift and take it to the bridge.
As she enters the bridge she finds a control panel and restores the containment field in the section she just left and fills the depressurized parts of the ship with pressurized air.
She looks out if the large windows and sees the speck of Kyp drifting towards the closest star.
She slumps down on the floor and starts meditating. She is soon filled with the force and is revitalized.
She was now alone. The ethereal beings had gone and she had a mission to complete.
Nomi stood up and placed herself dead center in the command center and reached out.
She sensed the power grid on the ship and traveled along it mentally with the force. She found all the weak spots and repaired them with the force.
She sought the power plant and switched it to full capacity. The power surged and went out to all parts of the ship. Lights were turned on and the ship saw its former glory.
Nomi stretched out again and took control of all flight controls. She primes the engines and ignites them.
The ship picks up speed and coordinates are soon plotted in. It is time to return to Coruscant and hand over this cursed ship. Many Jedi lives were lost on it. 40 people boarded it and only one survived. Nomi Sunrider would return to Coruscant and rebuild the Jedi order. She would update the rather lacking records about the force, its uses and abilities. She would also make a long piece about the Sith, how their powers work and how to defeat them. The incident on this Star Destroyer would not happen again…
Somewhere hidden on the ship a red triangular Holocron pulsated, sending out inviting calls.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
The End
Congratulations
to
Askthepizzaguy
and
the Jedi team
for winning
StarWars Mafia: Return of the Sith.
Askthepizzaguy is awarded the Gold medal for being the last man standing
The Jedi team is awarded the Silver medal for winning the game
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
and the Sith is awarded the Bronze for a well played, yet unfortunate game
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Last edited by Sigurd; 05-19-2010 at 01:38.
Status Emeritus
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Well done Pizza, on many levels.
And to the Sith, the same.![]()
pevergreen:
You took a big gamble, much like a sith, and it didn't pay off, much like a sith. Many, many props for having the courage to do it. You lost it for your team, but you did the impossible...
You revived my interest in the game after I died :P
Good game sith.
ATPG:
I love you, you make me feel all warm and happy inside. I've been with you since your diamond junk, and now I am proud to crown your new pair of tungsten infused cojones. Congrats on an awesome finish to the game.
Good game people, sorry for being a less than stellar townie at times
Thanks for hosting Sigurd, perhaps I'll make the next game's signups on time! :D
Originally Posted by TosaInu
Rest in peace TosaInu
That little trick with the lightsaber and the emergency structural integrity force field was my idea.... I got the idea when pevergreen blew a massive hole in the ship which was only covered up by the nearly-instantaneous emergency field. I figured if that thing were to shut off during battle, Kyp would die almost instantly.
I didn't figure the lightning would be able to defeat him, as I figured he'd use both cloak and either protect or force absorb, but I wanted there to be a battle this time, not a retreat.
Thanks everyone....
This medal belongs to the entire Jedi team. Thank you so much for helping me, especially in those last few rounds where I really needed your advice. Thanks especially: Renata, YLC, (big time, you two.... nicely done on Psychonaut) Chaotix, Tincow (Big big thanks you guys) Diamondeye, atheotes, Diana, and everyone else who gave it a solid effort. If I forgot to include your name, it is because I am overwhelmed.
I just hope that was the real ending.
THANK YOU SIGURD!!!!
Last edited by Askthepizzaguy; 05-19-2010 at 05:25.
#Winstontoostrong
#Montytoostronger
For everyone's reading pleasure, here are my final two orders I sent in. Last nights and the night before that.
Sent to Sigurd- I understand there is some relevance, which power I use first.
So, I would like to use Morichro first, to counter pevergreen's Morichro if he has it. IMO they should cancel each other out, and the only way he can avoid it is if he uses Force Cloak plus Morichro, which doesn't help him offensively...
Then, turn Force Protect up to full power, to counter pevergreen's Force lightning or Force destruction, keeping my lightsaber at the ready.
Those are my active powers.
For my passive defenses, I would like to lead with Force Push, simply because it seems to be highly effective so far, and if he tries to lead with some other power, it may push him off balance and give me the next move. Force Push should also knock him off balance even when invisible... being invisible doesn't mean the force can't toss you around.
Then, use Force Blinding, because he knows I have force speed and may be attempting to beat that. If he has Force Cloak, blinding might be able to illuminate the hallway so much that I can make out his outline and see where he is, which should allow me to use my lightsaber and finish him off. You also have to figure that with Force Blinding I might gain additional advantages of stopping his abilities and blinding him enough to zip in close and knock his saber out of his hand.
If I could offer some input on the story: (please do read!)
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
NEXT NIGHT:
Grand Master -> Askthepizzaguy (Force Protection), pevergreen (Force Lightning + Lightsabre)
(In this order)
Should I be attacked the defence will be:
1st attack: Force Protection + Force Blinding, 2nd attack: Force Protection + Force Push.
Lightsabre is always active as a defence should you be attacked with such since you have a rank above Padawan.
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How I picture this battle going:
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And my role PM again:
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Ending role PM:
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Last edited by Askthepizzaguy; 05-19-2010 at 05:36.
#Winstontoostrong
#Montytoostronger
The end Sith deserve the slightly-better than Silver metal just for doing so much to ensure our victory when pever betrayed them. Awesome, guys.
I never really did much in this game, having joined late and never been involved much with anything. I wish I could have done more, it was an awesome game.
*Gratuitous Applause*
Gotta say, it got really close there towards the end. Have to hand it to the Sith for a game well played. Especially Psychonaut completely played me for a fool.
Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer: The Gameroom
Too right Choxorn.
I played this game as a neutral party. I started off as a Jedi Padawan, but after reading Kyp's history and this quote in my role pm:
"No change comes without conflict. Perhaps my destiny is to be the irritant that forces the discussion, the blister that lets you know your boots don't fit."
―Kyp Durron
I took the approach of simply wanting one side to come victorious, the fighting between jedi and sith could not last, one side had to become victorious. I didn't care who died or not, i simply wanted the balance of power even until I gained some abilties. I got nothing until recruited into the sith.
As I see it, Kyp would have wanted to be at the head of the victorious side, so on what I thought would be the last night, I attacked Subo as he attacked ATPG. I hoped he would kill ATPG and be weak enough for me to kill him. I had been in discussion with ATPG for a while and he knew I had gotten force lightning. I think I had him convinced that I was a neutral role.
Starting role PM:
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Promotion to Sith Lord:
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Promotion to Dark Lord of the Sith:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord
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Congrats, Pizza. I don't know what more to say at this point, but a job well done.
And, of course, Sigurd deserves commendation. From my perspective, those playing enjoyed the game greatly. Player satisfaction is always goal number one, and I'd say that was achieved without qualification.
Last edited by seireikhaan; 05-19-2010 at 05:00.
It is better to conquer yourself than to win a thousand battles. Then, the victory is yours. It cannot be taken from you, not by angels or by demons, heaven or hell.
Analysis case
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2483089
Leads to panic and a strange post composed in a whole other format (very flinchy)
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2483169
Mafia ESP:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2483185
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=1#post2483196
New mafia terminology:
"We we we" all the way home- Certain people, when mafia, use the word "we" more often than normal, and frequently this is because they are subconsciously trying too hard to identify themselves with the group. Subotan admitted he was actually trying to do this, consciously in fact. This was a pretty bad case of it. When it is in half of your posts, or half of the time you're identifying yourself as "we" then you're off the baseline standard for normal townies. It's a nervous tic.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Mafia ESP- Mafia subconsciously avoid voting for people they wish to leave alive, or feel they cannot get lynched. This is a big one. Observe how often players like myself, Tincow, Diamondeye, pevergreen, Centurion1, etc ended up voting for people at various points in the game that later ended up still being alive. However, players like Subotan will end up voting for the easiest to lynch candidates, or people they will end up murdering later on if they don't get lynched. Over time, this subtle variation from standard becomes apparent. Those they vote for wind up dead more often than normal, both ways; by lynch AND by murder. Even WOG.
The anomalous exceptions will be players that are advantageous to leave alive because they are distracting (Centurion1) or lynchbait (ATPG). But the standard players will wind up dead once voted for by mafia. That is what mafia ESP is. Townies do not know who will end up being murdered by the mafia, and so their play style indicates a strategy which incorporates no knowledge of the eventual deaths. However, Mafia plan for the future... consciously or subconsciously. They know who they want alive and dead, and their vote corresponds with their ability to murder, because they wield both sabers in order to cut down the town. Watch their votes.... they will compliment their murders ever so nicely, unless they are specifically playing against a Mafia ESP analysis, which basically no one does.
I was not doing so great explaining this theory, but I've used it before and it works. Just like I've used the "we" thing against Cultured Drizzt Fan when he was mafia. My problem is I come up with some good ideas, and I notice subtle psychological tics that are indicative of a deceptive psychological state, even in text, but I use WAY too many words in explaining them, and then I add in all the other little details, and the post gets so big no one wants to read it.
Wish I knew how YLC and Renata nailed Psychonaut though. I think his deceptive posts as a townie got confused for mafia behavior, to our advantage when he was mafia.
Bunvote- Why playing mafia games from your cellphone is bad
"My last words will be (bleep) you!"- What a prideful (and now, sheepish) townie says when he's gotten himself into a pickle he doesn't know how to wiggle out of.
"And apparently, ATPG is always right."- Scum.
Last edited by Askthepizzaguy; 05-19-2010 at 06:48.
#Winstontoostrong
#Montytoostronger
Bunvote shall go down in history as one of the most hilarious typos ever in a mafia game.
Oh, I totally agree.Centurion1, I will always cherish the joy this word has brought to me, and indeed, the world.
#Winstontoostrong
#Montytoostronger
Congratulations ATPG.
Excellent game, Sigurd!
I hope to never end up in a team with pevergreen ever again.
YEAH!!!! Great game!!! Congrats Pizza, great job! Also to all the other townies, great job! I was really worried at the beginning when we were chasing our tails and lynching our pro town roles. To the mafia, you did a fantastic job, sorry for your loss (ha,ha, not really (sorry about the outburst)). Thanks Sigurd for hosting this amazing game! Oh yeah, love the BUNVOTE also!!
Sultry Mafia Babe
Diana Abnoba- Goddess of the Hunt
Yay, we win
Congrats, pizza! Great job!
And congrats mafiosi, a great performance! Worthy adversaries
And of course: THANK YOU SIGURD!! I was a bit disappointed to be killed rather early in the game, but your great write-ups kept me coming back each day. Brilliant stuff! This game had it all: suspense, tension, a narrow victory, drama and fun! And lightsabers!
Andres is our Lord and Master and could strike us down with thunderbolts or beer cans at any time. ~Askthepizzaguy
Ja mata, TosaInu
You picking up on this left me dumbstruck. I had been making an effort to try and put it into as many posts as possible and I was absolutely gobsmacked that anyone would pick up on it and think it was scummy.
When did this happen?
Guilty.
So I'm a lurker?
Guilty.
Guilty.
I disagree with this. I still stand by the maths that if 3/4 of the total amount of players are dead, then 3/4 of any given individuals votes are going to be dead.
Guilty.
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About PEVERGREEN'S behaviour; I am still extremely annoyed about what you did on the night when we should have killed ATPG, and for several reasons. Had we both worked together to kill ATPG, and then you had killed me in the possible standoff that resulted between us I wouldnt feel one iota of resentment. (That would probably have been the most likely outcome, given I totally understimated your abilities). It would have been within the grounds of repesctable mafia playing and goodsportsmanship. Likewise, had our attempt to kill ATPG failed, or if the town had worked out who we were earlier and wiped us out, then again, I would feel no resentment. Dissapointment, yes, but not resentment.
However, that is not what happened. You went beyond the grounds of normal mafia behaviour by gambling your own individual victory above that of your team. You knew that you would be unable to kill me, and yet you proceeded to do so. But more importantly, your behaviour went against every convention that exists in a mafia game. Vanilla townies are expected to take a bullet for top roles, becuase they know that they will share a joint victory in the end. Likewise, mafiosi are expected to work together as a team to bring down the town.
Your "roleplaying" is a crock of. How on Earth do you think you can set yourself your own victory conditions, despite the fact that you already have victory conditions set for you by being Sith and then use these imaginary conditions to justify the sabotage of our hard work? I, Niklas and Pyshconaut spent over a month planning, discussing and working undercover to secure a team victory. We were the ones who set up various Xanatos Gambits, only to see you throw all of our collective efforts away. When the Rule of Two was revealed, I PM'd Sigurd to see if I would have to kill Niklas. The reply I got was along the lines of "Maybe...but if you fail, the
will hit the fan". I decided against it, putting our team interests above that of my own. That is what you should have done, and Psycho puts it well when he says that it leaves a sour taste in his mouth. I still stand by my earlier comments in the Sith Quicktopic (http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/GaLu2FpeS6LAk Post 469), ad although it would be unfair to say that the game has been ruined, as the town, other Sith's and ofc Sigurd's input has been invaluable.
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That aside, I would like to thank certain players, either for their skill and the challenge they provided or for helping me.
Sasaki - For being quiet and not forming an unbreakable pact with ATPG.
Thermal Mercury - For acting exactly how I did in Mafia IX
Diamondeye - For being a formidable grandmaster
Beskar - For being a formidable grandmaster, and also lynchbait.
Renata - For very perceptive posts, especially the ones which said I was innocent.
Centurion1 - The best weapon we never knew we had.
YLC - For being discreet, and for sniffing out Psycho instantly.
Tincow - Again, for being a great challenge to try and decieve.
ATPG - For being ATPG. I only wish I'd bumped you off in the mid-game.
And of course:
Niklas - For being an excellent scum partner throughout the game, even after death. Never too willing to agree to what I suggested or too stubborn, as well as infiltrating Beskar's proto-network.
Psychonaut - Not just for being a great choice by Random.org, but also for managing to stay undercover for so long, as well as for only being undone by events prior to your embrace of the Dark Side.
Sigurd - Thanks a lot, both for hosting this game and giving us the info that kept us one step ahead of town, as well as all the extremely entertaining write-ups and for changing the updates to be one hour earlier.
If you haven't been mentioned, and your name isn't PEVERGREEN, then don't feel left out. I enjoyed playing against, tricking and kill you all![]()
Great game, Sigurd!
Congratulations ATPG!
And Siths, I really want to know who killed me! Niklas? Subotan?
ATPG: Overreaction to a powerful townie being lynched, and trying to paint everyone involved as scum (too easy to put a halo over yourself this way, and unnatural. That's not how normal people react)
Response:
The overreaction to a townie being lynched was Hoth, I believe. That was very early on, when you were saying things like "GOOD JOB TEAM" and the following:Originally Posted by Subotan
.............
NoOriginally Posted by Subotan
you're quite active, refreshingly so. In fact most of those "tells" were in general. Some don't apply to you, but other mafiosi I've seen since my beginnings.
In order to rebuild the Jedi Order, I must show everything I've learned. I'm not so conceited to think there weren't players before I ever showed up who could sniff out scumbags like professional sleuths, but.... sort of like the Jedi themselves, sometimes one of them learns something the others hadn't learned before (Such as Plo Koon's discovery of Electric Judgment) he tries to share it with the others, and it is added to the Jedi Holocron.
I myself learned plenty from watching other players in action. When I was designing my mafia analysis systems, I studied old, basic games of mafia to learn exactly what the mafia did in order to succeed... which behaviors they used and under what circumstances. Watching players like Sasaki and Kommodus and Kagemusha, and so on, in action helped me understand not only what mafia typically do (useful as townie) and what they do which works (useful as mafia). Then, participating in many themed and complex games, I've noticed other, more complicated gambits and tactics which seem to bend the will of the town in almost any direction. Correctly employed, you could easily destroy a detective before they even claim detective... or extract yourself from the jaws of a lynch... or avoid being slain by mafia altogether. I think Sasaki was my biggest inspiration with regards to the skillful use of lies... and I studied Andres to figure out how best to win as a team, as mafia. Tincow and Seamus Fermanagh and Kommodus were my inspiration with regards to townie analysis (or fake townie analysis) and then my own experience as being mafia over 20 times and playing nearly 100 games has shown me the subtleties of the Force. Things like behavioral tics and obvious attempts at deception.
The thing is, things are ALWAYS clearer in retrospect. What looked like perfectly normal behavior at the time, but was actually veiled attempts at misleading the town from within, becomes increasingly scummy with the advantage of a historical perspective. Voting patterns is where I started... you can have clearly scummy voting patterns. (Especially the Niklas tie; that wasn't worth it...) but more important is voting for players in a systematic fashion, moving from one suspect to the other, and they all end up dead and innocent. Example:
See if I can explain better.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
This is a very crude, hastily assembled, and generic example. However, it illustrates the larger point, which was the systematic and sequential nature of who you voted for, Subotan, and the general order of the deaths in the game. It was very linear. More linear than everyone else's voting pattern, anyway.
That's much more obvious in large games where there is a much longer timeline to analyze. In small games, there is not a very, very long view to have to worry about. In large games, players do not realize that their behaviors and comments that happened in round 2-3 can have a very large impact on round 16. That is the long view that even the mafia cannot foresee. But the townies can see it, once they get to that point, and have the benefit of hindsight and full knowledge of one's behavior over the course of the game.
In this case, hindsight is 20/20.
It was more the timing, and the percentage of people who ended up dead and innocent, who you voted for, the reasons you voted for them, and the order you voted for them. It was like you were moving from one kill to the other, but generally focusing on the same general area, and most of those would end up dead before you moved on to the rest.Originally Posted by Subotan
Furthermore, heavy analysis works better in the endgame because:
1. Fewer suspects to analyze (better percentages even due to blind luck... but also easier to hold all the data in your head)
2. More data per suspect (Critical)
3. There may be a discernible pattern to one's behavior which corresponds to a sequential mafia strategy (in this case, Subotan's) which would not be obvious at the time, and only makes sense as a case in retrospect.
That's how I operate anyway. But, I pick out subtle tells I've seen before which are blips on the radar screen, like the "we" thing or the overreaction thing. Even early on, such tells are better than nothing. They aren't conclusive though.
Add them up by the endgame and odd behavior becomes much more noticeable and pronounced, and the divergence in behavior between town and scum becomes almost blindingly obvious. Were it not for the utterly bizarre behavior of Centurion1, Subotan would have been the lynch that round when we first lynched Cent. It was not only persuasive but much more conclusive than a random vote.
Centurion1 accidentally gave off tons of false signals. It was truly baffling.
Last edited by Askthepizzaguy; 05-19-2010 at 11:18.
#Winstontoostrong
#Montytoostronger
If it were not for Cent, Subotan certainly *would* have been lynched (and if not him, Psychonaut), which would have changed the dynamics of the game considerably either way. Not necessarily in a town-friendly fashion, given the various complications in the game, but it would have been different. Cent ... I remember commenting to Pizza on the night after your first lynch that you seemed like a townie, but that impression was undermined by your actions later. I wish I'd been able to be more active that first day.
Where did I say you were innocent, Subotan? I don't remember doing that.
Sigurd, although I do have a few quibbles with the mechanics, this game was a true pleasure to play -- thank you very much for all your hard work.
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