Daggers in the Night [Concluded]

[Renata]

You joke, but that's pretty much it. Unless Pizza is a dead Ancient Vampire who's going to come back at the end and eat us all; or unless he's a lot worse at reading Diana than he claims to be; his lack of accusation against Diana means she is very likely innocent. That made her a solid choice to protect, and I saw no reason to change the decision once made.

[atheotes]

Because I'm a control freak and a paranoiac. If it's me, it is by definition not a mafia or dubious 'special role'.

Why didn't you play like this when you were still alive?

RL got in the way

[Askthepizzaguy]

You joke, but that's pretty much it. Unless Pizza is a dead Ancient Vampire who's going to come back at the end and eat us all; or unless he's a lot worse at reading Diana than he claims to be; his lack of accusation against Diana means she is very likely innocent. That made her a solid choice to protect, and I saw no reason to change the decision once made.

I would come back and eat you, but I just got the worms that are eating my brain arranged just the way I like them, and I'm not messing that up.

[Methos]

You realize, Renata, that the ancient vamp gets to pick their slaves and other then the obvious one I'd rather not discuss, there are in-game reasons for him to do so. How best to help out someone you care about by putting them in such a position. Would be very interesting.

[Renata]

Sorry, I'm having trouble parsing that.

[Diamondeye]

Sorry, I'm having trouble parsing that.

I second this; Can you rephrase your comment, Methos?

[Andres]

Night 8 - Conclusion

Niklas had been naughty that night.

The constant pressure was just too much to take and he simply had to go somewhere. Against all good advice from the Naibs, he decided to leave his hotelroom to take a short walk. Just catching some fresh air, nothing more. He would be back within the hour.

As he was walking through the city, he ran into a bar, called "El Fanatico Civilizado." He entered the bar and forgot all about time...

There were some really great people at that place and allthough he never had the intention to get drunk or to stay there for too long, the atmosphere, the people and the music were just too good. The special cocktail "IV" probably had something to do with it. That stuff was just irresistable and he found himself at the bar, constantly ordering just... one... more... IV...

Eventually, some of the regulars had to drag him out. As he was standing outside, inhaling fresh air, he slowly came back to his senses.

What had he been thinking! The vampire hunting society was facing its' biggest threat in centuries and here he was, partying and getting drunk. If they failed, humanity would be doomed! He suddenly felt very guilty. For days, he had hardly spoken a word during the councils and now he was here, barely able to keep his balance, being drunk.

Niklas turned away from the tempting disco lights, booze, music and gorgeous women and walked back home, his cheeks glowing with a shameful blush.

Still muttering in himself about how irresponsible he had been, he entered a narrow, steep alley, not noticing the figure wearing a dark cloak that had been following him.

"Naughty, very naughty indeed," a voice whispered behind Niklas.

"Huh?" were his final words, before a wooden club hit him on the head. While he was falling down, the figure jumped forward, drew a blade and seperated poor Niklas' head from his body.

Without hesitating, the killer left the scene.

***

Day 9

Diana was furious.

"Are you all idiots? Who else was outside their hotels while they were supposed to be inside, behind a locked door! Gah!"

The daggers looked ashamed and stared at the ground.

"We only lost one dagger last night. I don't know what to think of it. Maybe we are making progress, maybe not. But since there's still somebody out killing daggers, we'll have to continue this."

***

Alive (17)

1. TheFlax
2. Renata
3. Beskar
4. Diana Abnoba
5. Double A
6. TinCow
7. The Stranger
8. Methos
9. spL1tp3r50naL1ty
10. Jolt
11. Choxorn
12. Kukrikhan
13. Beefy187
14. Kagemusha
15. pevergreen
16. DiamondEye
17. Scienter

Killed (15)

autolycus
Yaropolk
Chaotix
Centurion1
Ibn-Khaldun
Psychonaut
Sasaki Kojiro
Yaseikhaan
Peasant Phill
Death is yonder
YLC
Secura
Captain Blackadder
GreyBlades
Niklas

Lynched (7)

Csargo
Askthepizzaguy
Seon
GeneralHankerchief
White_Eyes:D
Romanic
atheotes

WoG (1)
AVSM

***

It's now day. You can start voting. Day will last for +/- 24 hours.

[Diana Abnoba]

@ Renata

No offense taken, you are a much better creative writer than me (most of you guys are), (and never said I was, nor asked for this position BTW). I only gave the lynch idea to Andres he wrote the write up (and he added the Pizza part to BTW).

Also thanks again for the protections.



No Pizza is not coming back from the grave to kill you all, but maybe he could, to help me with the next lynch story (please, )



@ TS
Because I innocent!

[Scienter]

I think Methos is saying that Pizza and Diana are a couple in real life and are therefore working together.

[Methos]

Sorry, let me explain this way. Say I managed to talk my wife into playing mafia and then say I was chosen to play the ancient vampire and had the choice to choose my slaves, then I would consider choosing my wife as one of them. Why? It would give her the chance to be on the mafia team and it would allow me to help her. As far as I know Diana has never been mafia, so if ATPG were the ancient vamp, this would be a great time to both give her the opportunity and help her if she is in need of it. So his never accusing her may not mean she's not guilty, it may simply mean he doesn't wish to accuse his mafia teammate.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sorry, let me explain this way. Say I managed to talk my wife into playing mafia and then say I was chosen to play the ancient vampire and had the choice to choose my slaves, then I would consider choosing my wife as one of them. Why? It would give her the chance to be on the mafia team and it would allow me to help her. As far as I know Diana has never been mafia, so if ATPG were the ancient vamp, this would be a great time to both give her the opportunity and help her if she is in need of it. So his never accusing her may not mean she's not guilty, it may simply mean he doesn't wish to accuse his mafia teammate.

If I were the ancient vampire, then the ancient one is already dead. Doesn't work that way in Godfather games. Godfather dies, mafia goes kaput. Here on the .org anyway.

If I were a slave, the kills would have dropped a while ago. No dice there either.

Diana and I have been mafia together not once, but twice. I'd be a terrible pick, and vice-versa, since suspicion on me lands on the other, and so on.

[TheFlax]

Sorry, let me explain this way. Say I managed to talk my wife into playing mafia and then say I was chosen to play the ancient vampire and had the choice to choose my slaves, then I would consider choosing my wife as one of them. Why? It would give her the chance to be on the mafia team and it would allow me to help her. As far as I know Diana has never been mafia, so if ATPG were the ancient vamp, this would be a great time to both give her the opportunity and help her if she is in need of it. So his never accusing her may not mean she's not guilty, it may simply mean he doesn't wish to accuse his mafia teammate.

IIIRC she was mafia in the first Innishmore game, but I do follow what you are saying. I'm not sure I agree though, it really depends on the person, some would choose people they don't really know all that well, some would choose people who are considered very good and some would choose their friends. In the end, its not always obvious who would choose who.

EDIT: Also, only one kill? Successful protection or atheotes = mafia? Would be good to know I think.

[Renata]

But Pizza is dead. Are you seriously suggesting a Kagemusha-in-shadow-fort situation here?

[TinCow]

Vote: Kagemusha

Same reason I gave earlier.

[Diamondeye]

Diana, have you recieved word as to whether your protection was the cause of the single kill, or can we assume that we caught a mafia in Atheotes?

Methos, are you really that distracted from the game? Or are you just looking to paint targets on those with authority? I think you could use some pressure, you've been rather quiet. vote: Methos

[Askthepizzaguy]

EDIT: Also, only one kill? Successful protection or atheotes = mafia? Would be good to know I think.

Option 3: Inactive player. Splitpersonality. Legitimately inactive only lately. Otherwise was active just not posting.

Option 4: WIFOM to throw us off the scent. We're focusing on it.

[Diana Abnoba]

Pizza is dead! Not mafia, since he died like round 2 or 3! BTW I would not pick him now as my partner, because he is always up for the lynch (makes me too nervous)...and we are always put together. I have died, in games, to get to him, when we were town, from the mafia. In capo, I was killed so I could not help, in the network we created and protect him during the nights...I'm getting sick of it-always dying by the 1/2 way mark. So I think he tried to help protect me this time so I can finally make it through a game alive. He would not pick me now, because of the same reasons, and would pick better mafia players than myself (he likes to win you know- esp. as mafia).


Edit: God I hate being such a slow typist (by the time I finish typing my post like 5 more post pop up) dang it!

[Renata]

(about split) If I'm counting right he should be wogged by the end of the day, or tomorrow at the latest. We can probably afford to wait that one out.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If I'm counting right he should be wogged by the end of the day, or tomorrow at the latest. We can probably afford to wait that one out.

I agree. It's a shame too, we need every vote.

[Renata]

Yeah, I know you think he's a townie.

[Diamondeye]

Yeah, I know you think he's a townie.

I think there's no reason to vote for split unless he shows up to avoid the WOG. Innocent or not, the WOG will handle him. We should focus on others.

[Diana Abnoba]

Just got results from last night. The person I had protected, was not attacked last night, nor did I use a Vig kill last night. So it looks like we finally got 1, Atheotes was mafia!! So now think who could be on a team with him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Just got results from last night. The person I had protected, was not attacked last night, nor did I use a Vig kill last night. So it looks like we finally got 1, Atheotes was mafia!! So now think who could be on a team with him.

Precisely my point: if they dropped their kills by 1, we could waste an entire round chasing an untamed ornithoid without cause. And every lynch counts a lot at this late stage. Sacrifice 1 kill to waste one of our few remaining lynches. Is a brilliant plan.

Not saying it's likely, just a real possibility.

[Renata]

Edit (@ Diana) Okay.

@ Pizza: This whole thing needs some thought. I did suggest that finding out Atheotes was mafia should direct us to one (or heck, maybe two) of several players (those in the two-vote category a couple days back). That makes the WIFOM idea worth considering, because that list is long enough that *if* all of them are townies, pursuing that lead could sink us. However, it should also be considered that in order to make that work, the mafia would have to voluntarily give up a kill every night from now to the end of the game. At a minimum (if Atheotes is not mafia and they decide after today the whole thing is pointless and go back to two tonight), they have given up a kill. That is not a trivial thing for mafia to do, and it would likely have to come with some serious gain attached to be worth it.

We need to determine who might stand to gain, and by how much, to figure out how seriously to take the idea of WIFOM last night.

[TinCow]

Just got results from last night. The person I had protected, was not attacked last night, nor did I use a Vig kill last night. So it looks like we finally got 1, Atheotes was mafia!! So now think who could be on a team with him.

While that is the most likely scenario, don't lock yourself into that reasoning too heavily. It could also be an intentional kill drop or a failure to submit night orders. If you've got a case against someone and an atheotes-connection works on top of that, that's great... but it's tunnel vision to focus exclusively on partners for atheotes for voting purposes. The longer we go without 2 night kills, the more likely atheotes was mafia and the stronger those connections become... but for now there's a good deal of WIFOM in it, so it should only be used as supporting evidence.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

heh, "only as supporting evidence", compared to what...

[Askthepizzaguy]

beat you to it, Tincow!

[TinCow]

heh, "only as supporting evidence", compared to what...

A case based primarily on in-thread behavior, with a connection to atheotes thrown in as a minor aspect. As opposed to looking primarily for partners for atheotes and then trying to find scummy thread behavior for them.

If I'm thinking too much like a lawyer, my apologies. I've been reviewing Westlaw cases all day about proper methods of weighing evidence. It bleeds over.

[Renata]

Here's the list, for reference:

Beskar: 2 (Captain Blackadder, The Stranger)
The Stranger: 2 (Beskar, Choxorn)
Romanic: 2 (White_Eyes:D, Beefy187)
Beefy187: 2 (Jolt, pevergreen)
Kagemusha: 2

Romanic is already dead, so that leaves four. Kagemusha has been under some pressure, and could easily serve as a sacrificial mislynch; so could Beefy or Beskar for that matter. Heck, I'm sure there's some people who'd be pleased as punch to vote Beskar. The WIFOM idea *is* plausible.

Of that bunch I'd be most likely to vote for Kagemusha, but I'm not ready to do it yet.

[Askthepizzaguy]

However, it should also be considered that in order to make that work, the mafia would have to voluntarily give up a kill every night from now to the end of the game.

Why?

They could easily drop the ruse tonight. Messing up one of our few remaining lynches with a near-100% success rate is worth a temporary drop in kills. Deed accomplished, they resume killing at full power, and we become panicky and confused.