Daggers in the Night [Concluded]

[Sasaki Kojiro]

It's not at all clear that this was an ability of Kage's. It could be that the ancient vampire has the power to mess with lynches. For all we know atheotes is innocent and they were framing him, and kage was innocent (actually more likely a henchman) and the ancient one prevented his lynch.

The OP says that the ancient function like the godfather, but may have powers. So it is likely that the kage is not the ancient, but was saved by the ancient, going off of the OP.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

At LEAST one of the vig kills should be held on to for quite a while.

[Secura]

So, the question now... who would Kage have picked as henchmen?

I'd wager that he would pick at least one low-profile player; either someone who's a notorious lurker/quiet player or someone new/returning to mafia. They'd be overlooked by the town for the most part either due to a belief that they're riding the WOG Wagon or because they're newbies and unlikely to be seen as scum.

The second player would be someone high-profile both for their analytical and insightful playing style and for the fact that they're usually lynchbait. I think it would be someone that the Ancient could ensure would survive until the end-game, whereby the slave's identity may be uncovered but the town would be in too fragile a position by that point to effectively lynch both the slave and the master.

That's my two cents on it.

[TinCow]

In case the Naib is thinking of vig killing me tonight, I urge you to take a look at my posts about Kagemusha during the last night phase, before today's bandwagon began, and consider that I was the first person to lodge a vote on him today. The mafia did not gain anything by having Kage IDed as the godfather here. In order for me to be scum, I'd have to be a total idiot to lead off the case against him like that. I hope your opinion of me is higher than that.

[Scienter]

It's not at all clear that this was an ability of Kage's. It could be that the ancient vampire has the power to mess with lynches. For all we know atheotes is innocent and they were framing him, and kage was innocent (actually more likely a henchman) and the ancient one prevented his lynch.

The OP says that the ancient function like the godfather, but may have powers. So it is likely that the kage is not the ancient, but was saved by the ancient, going off of the OP.

At LEAST one of the vig kills should be held on to for quite a while.

I don't think that a vig kill on Kagemusha is necessarily a good idea since we've only got 2. We don't know what the Ancient's powers are. Can he save only his henchmen, or can he do that to anyone? If, for a second, we assume Kagemusha is not the Ancient and that the Ancient saved him, it could mean that he's a henchman or that the Ancient wants us to believe that Kagemusha is a henchman to throw us off of his real helpers. We're all very focused on Kagemusha right now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@Tincow-

That's still WIFOM... and I wouldn't put it past you. If the only way we could bring down Kagemusha was to have you dead first, then establishing your innocence by revealing kage and being first to the party should keep you alive. It remains to be seen if you ever get attacked by the mafia.

But I wouldn't worry so much; you're not the top suspect in several people's minds... mine and more importantly, the living players.

[Diana Abnoba]

My Naib office is a democracy. That is why I'm asking for everyone's input. It will not be my choice alone, that decides this. So, no need to worry so much Tin Cow (well unless you are the top choice of all the daggers).

[TinCow]

That's still WIFOM... and I wouldn't put it past you. If the only way we could bring down Kagemusha was to have you dead first, then establishing your innocence by revealing kage and being first to the party should keep you alive. It remains to be seen if you ever get attacked by the mafia.

With that kind of post, you've pretty much guaranteed I'll survive until the end.

In any case, I recommend a look at The Stranger. On review of today's posting, his posts stand out the most to me. He never voted for Kage and he pushed for an 'easy' split bandwagon right as Kage was under a lot of pressure. He also goes after Renata for attacking Kage. He's also schizophrenic with his accusations. Here he claims his top suspects are me, pever, and Beskar. Today he adds Renata to the list, but then 7 minutes later he urges a vig kill on Kage and Renata? Kage? TS had never mentioned he had any suspicion of Kage before... even though he listed his suspect two posts before that. How did his bloodlust for Kage appear in the space of 7 minutes? That looks to me like an effort to divert the vote on Kage by starting an effort to have him attacked at night instead, something which is likely to fail against a godfather with living henchmen... and likely to burn a town vig in the process. Also remember TS's obvious excitement for the game at the start, as evidenced by his ridiculous posting style.

[The Stranger]

now it is getting funny... got any more tincow?

[The Stranger]

i think, since now we prolly have the ancient one... it is too soon to vigkill. if we can narrow down the scope of targets, the vigkill will be more effective. on the other hand, a lucky shot might really turn this game into the towns favor for definite terms.

i dont know who kage would chose as a mafia, and since my previous accusations were largely aimed at beskar, but since we prolly got 2 mafia already, it might be that beskar isnt guilty after all.

pevergreen and tincow remain my 2 topcats. but i rather see them lynched than vigkilled. i think split is a good target for the lynch since he cleverly keeps avoiding wog whilst lurking in the dark.

[Beskar]

The Stranger wouldn't attempt to make any cunning moves, you are giving him too much credit, TinCow.

[The Stranger]

wth... beskar is dead. why?

so methos and beskar were tied for 2nd. why did beskar die and not methos? maybe methos is kage's buddy?

[Askthepizzaguy]

now it is getting funny... got any more tincow?

He has a point. Add on top of that you've been a royal pain in the neck , and you're skating on thin ice with me. There's no rhyme or reason in your movements and you're hyperactive. Not to mention dead wrong on everything and everyone so far.

I also thought you were a bit more productive and less... wacko... when you played Capo di Tutti Capi III. There you weren't anti-social, you were trying to organize an effort some didn't agree with, but what might have proved useful in the long run.

I can't make heads or tails of what your agenda is so far this game. One might even wonder if you aren't the special role yourself. Maybe not mafia, but it explains your overabundant enthusiasm.

[The Stranger]

actually... im bored to hell.

i dont see why he has a point. why would i cover for kage. it was quite obvious he would die anyway. and then if i was mafia, i would know that he wouldnt die when lynched.. why would i give myself away like that. it wouldve been better to have voted for him. i think there we should look for his henchmen.

[Niklas]

Kagemusha should start talking.

[Beefy187]

I like Beefy187 as a vig kill. Sorry Beefy, I don't know what you've been smoking this game. You're acting like you don't know what the game setup is.
But Methos also tickles my funny bone.
And I'm very sorry, but Kukrikhan would make another excellent choice. He can easily survive a long time by simply doing nothing scummy... and then occasionally act like he has no idea what's going on.

I had Tincow on my list but now I am not sure. He's certainly capable of being this smooth.

Hmm... I suck at playing townie. I look scummy.
I'm innocent though

[Beskar]

Hmm... I suck at playing townie. I look scummy.
I'm innocent though

Maybe it was because you kept accusing an known townie, as if possessed on illegal substances, to save your mafia buddy, Kagemusha.

[Beefy187]

I was getting scum vibes from you. And if I went on and voted for someone else, I would be lying to my self.
If I was a scum I wouldn't do something which would stand up this early.

I wanted you lynched from 3 rounds ago.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It does seem out of character for beefy to be so aggressive, and against Beskar too, who usually struggles to get supporters behind anything he does.

It's out of character and also has no positive benefit. I don't see the motive for it. Maybe it's just a bad move... but who knows.

I dunno. I also like Kukrikhan and Methos for suspects.

[Scienter]

It does seem out of character for beefy to be so aggressive, and against Beskar too, who usually struggles to get supporters behind anything he does.

It's out of character and also has no positive benefit. I don't see the motive for it. Maybe it's just a bad move... but who knows.

I dunno. I also like Kukrikhan and Methos for suspects.

I like Methos for a suspect too. He chose a pretty convenient time to jump on the lynch Kagemusha wagon. Didn't he change his vote from someone else to him?

[Jolt]

4. Jolt- usually you can't get this guy to shut up, almost as bad as Pizza. And you have a lower post count than me- something is off there. (though he hasn't been as active lately in other games either) but just can't loose the scum scent from him.

As I said ATPG, I'm on the final deadline of delivery for college essays. I'm lurking, yes, but I'm reading the thread.

[Methos]

I like Methos for a suspect too. He chose a pretty convenient time to jump on the lynch Kagemusha wagon. Didn't he change his vote from someone else to him?

no I did not change my vote.

[Splitpersonality]

Split is back (of course), and suddenly TheFlax finds an email of him saying he will be inactive for 3 days or so, allegedly for a game that hasn't started yet.

Lynch Spit now. That's enough!

As a matter of fact I actually send a message to every host on every site I play mafia on, who is on this site, and any hosts of upcoming games that I could remember.

I'm not asking you to believe the flax, I'm asking you to believe me.

Oh good god I can't believe you showed up again, split. Somebody shoot me.

I'm sorry? It's not like I left this time without having a decent reason, which was given to the host, and several other hosts. It's not my fault/problem that they didn't choose to inform the general public.

[Renata]

@Tincow-

That's still WIFOM... and I wouldn't put it past you. If the only way we could bring down Kagemusha was to have you dead first, then establishing your innocence by revealing kage and being first to the party should keep you alive. It remains to be seen if you ever get attacked by the mafia.

But I wouldn't worry so much; you're not the top suspect in several people's minds... mine and more importantly, the living players.

I protest. But I gues I am outnumbered.

I won't have anything useful to say until tomorrow, though.

[Renata]

Perhaps the unknown role is aligned with the mafia, like a mastermind or a town traitor, and can't be lynched until the mafia is dead. Who knows.

I think this it is not the case that the special role is mafia-aligned. I was discussing this with Diamondeye the other day. Put together the opening post with the description of the storm from a few updates back and it looks like the special role is very probably the vampire Nikolaos, and that he and the Ancient Vampire are not allies. Whether Nikolaos is town friendly or not, though, or even whether anything like what you propose here might be going on, remains to be seen.

[Romanic]

Nobody listen to me, I feel like the town fool. Or rather, the ghost of...

TheFlax is the enemy. I smell his lust for blood from the Underworld.

[Kagemusha]

Oh it seems im alive after all. How strange. Well atleast the town did my bidding and lynched Beskar.Good job town!

[Askthepizzaguy]

I can expect less protestations of innocence from you now, I hope.

That's a relief.

[Diana Abnoba]

I have counted all the votes, reread the thread, and read my PMs regarding tonight's actions. Thanks to all that participated. Orders have been sent to Andres.

[Kagemusha]

I can expect less protestations of innocence from you now, I hope.

That's a relief.

Hmm..What i have done now to become guilty?Witnessed as Diana silenced poor old Beskie?