Daggers in the Night [Concluded]

[Renata]

that was an interesting write up to say the least...

the vig kill was probably decided based on the PMs sent to Diana...i know at least one person who though Kukri was guilty

the Renata kill could have been done by Nikaloas (secret role) because he suspected Renata to be one the grunts.

I believe this to be the case. Though he got it wrong.

[Beskar]

I am hoping Nikaloas isn't Niklas... you know, it looks really obvious.

[Renata]

I breathed a huge sigh of relief when he died an apparently ordinary mafia kill, because of just that. I'd have been bashing my head in for days trying to figure out if Andres might be *that* obvious (see: Crazed Rabbit in Capo III) just for laughs ...

[Romanic]

They killed a likely candidate for Naib elections just before election day, this may be a sign that our enemies believe in their chances. Be very careful with who you elect. You will not be able to kill this Naib before Day 14, at which point the game will probably be lost.

I can't vouch for anyone, this game has me completely lost now, but what I know is : Do not elect TheFlax. Please!

[KukriKhan]

Kukri was the vig target? Meh...

Nobody more surprised than I. Though I guess I could have talked more. My late PM to Naib yesterday probably ticked her off and sealed my fate.

Good luck townies. Really. You obviously face a formidable foe, adept at hiding in plain sight.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Kukri-

The Naib literally counted votes from a secret ballot. People thought you were the most suspicious.

That way, if we blew a vig kill and it lost the game, at least we could say we did it to ourselves. Share the blame, share the victory.

[KukriKhan]

Kukri-

The Naib literally counted votes from a secret ballot. People thought you were the most suspicious.

That way, if we blew a vig kill and it lost the game, at least we could say we did it to ourselves. Share the blame, share the victory.

Hmmm, I see. I PM'd her this morning (Calif time) teasing her about closing the vig-kill vote and sending in night orders a half-day before the deadline, so I thought maybe that late (and teasing) response set her off.

I do have a mechanical question: in the other Mafia games I've played that featured vig-kills, more than one vigilante was required to be effective (3, I think for minimal odds of success, 4 to gauartee). This game had only the one 'lante. Has that become the norm now?

And: what about the 'falling off a cliff' thingee - no decap or heart-stake, as in the rest of the Naib kills. Different rules for vig-ing again?

note to self: play mafia more often to keep up on game evolution.

[atheotes]

See?

Atheotes is always the mafia.

Maybe atheotes IS the special role.

Anyway, Vote: The Stranger.

the write up clearly says someone used my dead body

[Askthepizzaguy]

I believe you're remembering the Capo di tutti Capi/Pirate Ship system of vigilante kills, Kukri.

It is unusual that it takes groups of people to do anything. The norm is having one player do vig kills, and most have no power.

[Diana Abnoba]

Nice try Kukrikhan, but it won't work. My results state that the vig kill against you worked, and that you showed signs of being supernatural. So to me that says that we got a mafia.

So today we could test a theory; prove that atheotes was mafia, and make Kage the top lynch today, but just in case put 2nd someone else that we think could be the henchmen. A win-win.
It seems to me that if we have killed the 2 henchmen now, that Kage's lynch immunity would be gone.

I would suggest, that we could use the runner up in votes, from last night, which was Beefy. Also to me, Methos might be a good choice. I'm not sure on the Stranger, but I must admit, I would so love to do his lynch write up.

P.S. I believe that Atheotes was mafia, do you guys remember a post when he stated "well you could bring me back to life" or something like that. A message to his GF? hmmm.

[TheFlax]

I can't vouch for anyone, this game has me completely lost now, but what I know is : Do not elect TheFlax. Please!

Romanic, I'm truly touched you're still obessing over me, even after all the latest development. Pray tell, do you still think Split and I are super scum buddies or is it just me now?

Well, ATPG convinced me in private (as you can see from his post earlier) that I should be Naib, I wasn't looking for this mind you, but if enough of you decide to trust me, then I'll take the responsability. I vow that if I am Naib, the remaining Vig kill will be used democratically and not solely based on my very poor judgement.

As such, Elect: TheFlax

I'm all for the plan of voting first Kagemusha and putting our top suspect in second place. Vote: Kagemusha.

Also, the time at which the phase ends is good for me, so if needed I can switch my vote. (I believe that the plan proposed by TC was piling votes on Kage and then some people switching to the suspect at the last minute so he comes second?)

[Askthepizzaguy]

I dont know if focusing on or listening to atheotes is a productive use of our time.

Jolt is skating through this game, he claims real life/finals etc as the reason. I hate that excuse, but it usually gets you killed, so I don't know. Methos smells fishy to me, as does Beefy, but I haven't done a full analysis of the game yet. If you are ever going to destroy The Stranger, now is the time. Otherwise forever hold your peace. I'm ambivalent as to whether that's a good idea or not. Tincow either got under his skin, or someone is trying to frame him. I've learned my lesson and we should lynch TS early from now on.

But, I don't get that he's guilty. I could be wrong. Tincow seems to have a dying request that we kill The Stranger, and I think we could all lose this game with a small shred of satisfaction of The Stranger died. It would be cathartic. So I dunno.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Maybe I'm just out of the loop. But what reason do we have for not lynching kage?

Also, I would say that Kukri seems innocent. I don't hold with this democratic vigging either.

[KukriKhan]

I believe you're remembering the Capo di tutti Capi/Pirate Ship system of vigilante kills, Kukri.

It is unusual that it takes groups of people to do anything. The norm is having one player do vig kills, and most have no power.

Gotcha. I AM behind the times, then. That system you describe does give town a bit more power, balancing out the darkness we have to operate in. Naib Diana A mentions Kage, Beefy, Methos & TS as targets. My only advice: don't get too flush with apparent success, and let it blind you (all) to doing good detective work on the bad guys.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Two kills dropped at atheotes. He could be a slave.

Everyone else who died, Tincow, Beskar, Kukri, not a slave. So we haven't gotten rid of any other henchmen yet, and that's if we've gotten rid of any.

Whatever force kept Kagemusha alive will still be present, lynching Kagemusha today is a waste of time.

And I couldn't disagree more with Sasaki about just about everything he's been saying. I have no idea what his agenda is but he seems both bored and unhelpful, IMO.

[Diana Abnoba]

Okay I understand, trying to lynch Kage 1st and having a 2nd lynchee in place may be too complicated to undergo. Also looking back at the last time Kage used his power to get out of the lynch, we thought it turned on the next in line with the 2nd greatest number of votes, but it could be who Kage puts his vote on. We might not want to put that much power in his hands. Also looking at the rules again, I think that the slaves may not be supernatual, only the Ancient one and Nikaloas (maybe the special role).

On another note, it was an honor being your Naib, but I need my vote back, and do not wish to continue being Naib. So I will Elect: The Flax for the next Naib. Thanks.

P.S. I can post my night actions after my term for Naib is done if you guys wish, let me know.

[TinCow]

Lynch Kage, put TS in second place. If this turns out to be too difficult or risky due to voting numbers, just stay solid on Kage and vig TS tomorrow. Don't risk letting Kage off the lynch. Since Kukri appears to have been scum of some kind, Kage needs to be tested again, no matter what.

[Kagemusha]

the write up clearly says someone used my dead body

Didnt i say we have great prizes! And ofcourse as these are times of emergency and the previous Naibs have been less then capable of ending this string of accidents. Elect: Kagemusha so the press can save the day like many times before.

[Beskar]

the write up clearly says someone used my dead body

Bow-chicka-bow-wow?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Lynch Kage, put TS in second place. If this turns out to be too difficult or risky due to voting numbers, just stay solid on Kage and vig TS tomorrow. Don't risk letting Kage off the lynch. Since Kukri appears to have been scum of some kind, Kage needs to be tested again, no matter what.

I strongly disagree, we only have so many lynches left. Testing him is pointless as we would have to lynch him again later anyway if it failed. So skip the middle step and lynch him later. Every round, we must eliminate a suspect. Then, when we feel we have removed as many other potential partners of Kagemusha as possible, then we can try again. Otherwise we will lose a townie almost guaranteed tonight, and all our suspects will still remain because they won't be so kind as to bump one of those off for us.

Put Kage in second place though. That might be interesting.

[Romanic]

Romanic, I'm truly touched you're still obessing over me, even after all the latest development. Pray tell, do you still think Split and I are super scum buddies or is it just me now?

Yes, even after last night, I think you are el vampiro diablo! Don't worry though, nobody listen to me.

[Kagemusha]

I definetely agree with Pizza that the town should not lynch me. Why lynch when you can elect me as the new Naib?See Pizza.We have advanced a full circle.Now you are defending me from the bloodthirsty mob.

[Choxorn]

I strongly disagree, we only have so many lynches left. Testing him is pointless as we would have to lynch him again later anyway if it failed. So skip the middle step and lynch him later. Every round, we must eliminate a suspect. Then, when we feel we have removed as many other potential partners of Kagemusha as possible, then we can try again. Otherwise we will lose a townie almost guaranteed tonight, and all our suspects will still remain because they won't be so kind as to bump one of those off for us.

Put Kage in second place though. That might be interesting.

Exactly, we put our top suspect in second so he gets lynched if Kage still has his immunity.

[Renata]

So it's only the description of him as possibly supernatural that has you thinking Kukri could not be a slave, Pizza? Or something else? I'm not following your logic there.

[Askthepizzaguy]

The supernatural being, Kukri, was able to control atheotes. That's not something a slave could do.

[Diamondeye]

I was going to suggest re-electing Diana, but upon reading her sentiments on the issue, I'll go along with hers and ATPGs idea and elect:TheFlax.

I don't know if it's time to try Kagemusha again, but spreading our votes thin is not going to do anything; I believe it looks as is Atheotes was a slave, and Kukri the only other non-town who is dead; that leaves two people who aren't town (Kage + ???) with votes. Don't let those two votes make the difference!

For now I'll vote:Kagemusha, although I'd like Methos to recieve more attention too. I might switch onto him later if it's viable and doesn't hand the mafia the final say in who hangs.

[Renata]

The supernatural being, Kukri, was able to control atheotes. That's not something a slave could do.

How do you know it was him, is what I'm asking. The order of write-up actions only? Why could that not have been just as easily done to make it not obvious that it *wasn't* Kukri?

My main suspect for killing me (if it wasn't him) is on the general suspect list, so I'm not sure it really matters right now anyway, but I'd like to know where you're coming from.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Exactly, we put our top suspect in second so he gets lynched if Kage still has his immunity.

Why is there an assumption that the lynch immunity works this way? Who is to say it isn't totally random, or that kage can select any living person? Why is it assumed that Kage can only use it against the number two candidate?

Furthermore, which of the dead could possibly have been one of Kagemusha's slaves? By my count, that can only be Renata, and I don't think that's enough to bother with a lynch that's probably not going to work against Kage. I'd much rather try to have a few more people who are likely to be Kagemusha's henchmen dead before we allow him to deflect the lynch against any one of us.

that leaves two people who aren't town (Kage + ???) with votes. Don't let those two votes make the difference!

The neutral/other supernatural being was Kukri, right? So by your own estimate we have not killed Kagemusha's other slave.

I give up. I realize that my own opinion here is built on the assumption of Kagemusha being the Ancient One, so do as you please guys. I am just very strongly against it, and I believe the facts favor my position. I just urge you to think about it more, please.

[Askthepizzaguy]

How do you know it was him, is what I'm asking.

Think someone already mentioned that the person who reanimated atheotes said the exact same thing "My child" in the same writeup that Kukrikhan's character, someone who was supernatural enough to cause that event, said to the Naib's servant who killed Kukri.

That's very very strong evidence. So no, not just the order. The other bit of evidence which is too unlikely to be a coincidence.

[Diamondeye]

ATPG: If not Kagemusha, who should the town lynch today? As I posted above, I'm willing to put my vote somewhere else if it ends up achieving something other than Kage walking free.