Daggers in the Night [Concluded]

**Diana Abnoba** · 05-28-2010, 03:20

Okay I understand, trying to lynch Kage 1st and having a 2nd lynchee in place may be too complicated to undergo. Also looking back at the last time Kage used his power to get out of the lynch, we thought it turned on the next in line with the 2nd greatest number of votes, but it could be who Kage puts his vote on. We might not want to put that much power in his hands. Also looking at the rules again, I think that the slaves may not be supernatual, only the Ancient one and Nikaloas (maybe the special role).

On another note, it was an honor being your Naib, but I need my vote back, and do not wish to continue being Naib. So I will Elect: The Flax for the next Naib. Thanks.

P.S. I can post my night actions after my term for Naib is done if you guys wish, let me know.

**TinCow** · 05-28-2010, 04:17

Lynch Kage, put TS in second place. If this turns out to be too difficult or risky due to voting numbers, just stay solid on Kage and vig TS tomorrow. Don't risk letting Kage off the lynch. Since Kukri appears to have been scum of some kind, Kage needs to be tested again, no matter what.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 05-28-2010, 05:09

Originally Posted by TinCow

Lynch Kage, put TS in second place. If this turns out to be too difficult or risky due to voting numbers, just stay solid on Kage and vig TS tomorrow. Don't risk letting Kage off the lynch. Since Kukri appears to have been scum of some kind, Kage needs to be tested again, no matter what.

I strongly disagree, we only have so many lynches left. Testing him is pointless as we would have to lynch him again later anyway if it failed. So skip the middle step and lynch him later. Every round, we must eliminate a suspect. Then, when we feel we have removed as many other potential partners of Kagemusha as possible, then we can try again. Otherwise we will lose a townie almost guaranteed tonight, and all our suspects will still remain because they won't be so kind as to bump one of those off for us.

Put Kage in second place though. That might be interesting.

**Choxorn** · 05-28-2010, 08:46

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I strongly disagree, we only have so many lynches left. Testing him is pointless as we would have to lynch him again later anyway if it failed. So skip the middle step and lynch him later. Every round, we must eliminate a suspect. Then, when we feel we have removed as many other potential partners of Kagemusha as possible, then we can try again. Otherwise we will lose a townie almost guaranteed tonight, and all our suspects will still remain because they won't be so kind as to bump one of those off for us.

Put Kage in second place though. That might be interesting.

Exactly, we put our top suspect in second so he gets lynched if Kage still has his immunity.

**Renata** · 05-28-2010, 09:38

So it's only the description of him as possibly supernatural that has you thinking Kukri could not be a slave, Pizza? Or something else? I'm not following your logic there.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 05-28-2010, 10:42

The supernatural being, Kukri, was able to control atheotes. That's not something a slave could do.

**Renata** · 05-28-2010, 10:55

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

The supernatural being, Kukri, was able to control atheotes. That's not something a slave could do.

How do you know it was him, is what I'm asking. The order of write-up actions only? Why could that not have been just as easily done to make it not obvious that it *wasn't* Kukri?

My main suspect for killing me (if it wasn't him) is on the general suspect list, so I'm not sure it really matters right now anyway, but I'd like to know where you're coming from.

**Diamondeye** · 05-28-2010, 10:51

I was going to suggest re-electing Diana, but upon reading her sentiments on the issue, I'll go along with hers and ATPGs idea and elect:TheFlax.

I don't know if it's time to try Kagemusha again, but spreading our votes thin is not going to do anything; I believe it looks as is Atheotes was a slave, and Kukri the only other non-town who is dead; that leaves two people who aren't town (Kage + ???) with votes. Don't let those two votes make the difference!

For now I'll vote:Kagemusha, although I'd like Methos to recieve more attention too. I might switch onto him later if it's viable and doesn't hand the mafia the final say in who hangs.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 05-28-2010, 11:03

Originally Posted by Choxorn

Exactly, we put our top suspect in second so he gets lynched if Kage still has his immunity.

Why is there an assumption that the lynch immunity works this way? Who is to say it isn't totally random, or that kage can select any living person? Why is it assumed that Kage can only use it against the number two candidate?

Furthermore, which of the dead could possibly have been one of Kagemusha's slaves? By my count, that can only be Renata, and I don't think that's enough to bother with a lynch that's probably not going to work against Kage. I'd much rather try to have a few more people who are likely to be Kagemusha's henchmen dead before we allow him to deflect the lynch against any one of us.

that leaves two people who aren't town (Kage + ???) with votes. Don't let those two votes make the difference!

The neutral/other supernatural being was Kukri, right? So by your own estimate we have not killed Kagemusha's other slave.

I give up. I realize that my own opinion here is built on the assumption of Kagemusha being the Ancient One, so do as you please guys. I am just very strongly against it, and I believe the facts favor my position. I just urge you to think about it more, please.

**TinCow** · 05-28-2010, 12:23

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I give up. I realize that my own opinion here is built on the assumption of Kagemusha being the Ancient One, so do as you please guys. I am just very strongly against it, and I believe the facts favor my position. I just urge you to think about it more, please.

It's also built on the assumption that Kage has permanent lynch immunity until we kill both of his slaves. However, it's possible that he only had a one-time lynch immunity. Andres says in the OP that the Ancient Vampire is the equivalent of the Godfather in the Silver Rusher/GH games. IIRC, those games did not make the Godfather lynch immune until the henchmen were dead. It's entirely plausible that Kage no longer has lynch protection. I understand your argument, and it is reasonable, but I still think we should aim for Kage in #1 and someone else in #2. There are certainly enough town votes to ensure that happens properly, if people vote in a coordinated manner.