Apple have given up the means of production if true they are doomed

**gaelic cowboy** · 03-09-2010, 14:14

Originally Posted by Beskar

The problem with some of the things (which I actually agree with), is that many people whine about the costs and the fact it would need to be a nationalised industry, since private sector wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.

Not necessarily the key is automation which requires getting rid of jobs and ensuring quality outsourcing is NOT a bad thing but like everything it should not be carried to any extreme. Price and costs are big issues but no company takes them to the ultimate low price. If price is the only key factor then Myanmar is where you go to not China but costs are not the be all and end all of the equation duty customs access to raw materials energy water people safety etc all need to be factored.

I would love to see big engineering projects returning to Britain and have high-speed rail akin to France and Japan. British Rail was basically the blueprint which everyone else copied and improved upon while we stuck with the past. Many of his other ideas in that article I agree with.

Large scale rail projects in Britain are unsuitable as the country is too small and too crowded maybe if the link was to Scotland or something from London but the route is hardly that profitable and my favorite Irishman from Mullingar would probably undercut the whole thing with cheap flights. Furunculus has shown what you do in his last link encourage someone to invent as it were the next big thing and then try to leverage it which is good for consumers and Britain.

**Beskar** · 03-09-2010, 15:50

I am still wanting a tunnel to connect Northern Ireland and Scotland together, like the Channel Tunnel.

**gaelic cowboy** · 03-09-2010, 15:55

You never know it may happen one day although if the tech was available it might be more profitable to go from Wexford to Wales closer to London and all that course that would be like star trek stuff with maglevs and all that

**Beskar** · 03-09-2010, 20:43

Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy

You never know it may happen one day although if the tech was available it might be more profitable to go from Wexford to Wales closer to London and all that course that would be like star trek stuff with maglevs and all that

Northern Ireland to Scotland is shorter distance. Also, Northern Ireland is part of Britain.

**gaelic cowboy** · 03-09-2010, 21:10

Yes but whats the benefit???? Economic wise it make far more sense to connect to the republic than the north anyway it's all hypothetical but it would require that the sea bed be scanned and checked the sea bed around the north and scotland is notoriously unstable and very deep in parts distance is not neccessarily the point to put first in the equation.

Were well off topic now though but what the hell

**Furunculus** · 03-09-2010, 21:32

Originally Posted by Beskar

Northern Ireland to Scotland is shorter distance. Also, Northern Ireland is part of Britain.

and more useless.

**gaelic cowboy** · 03-09-2010, 21:42

Originally Posted by Furunculus

and more useless.

Lol

**Beskar** · 03-10-2010, 10:20

Originally Posted by Furunculus

and more useless.

So much for being a British nationalist then.

**Furunculus** · 03-10-2010, 10:41

Originally Posted by Beskar

So much for being a British nationalist then.

how so?

if someone is going to invest tens of billions tunneling from ireland to the british mainland, which will provide a better economic return:
> the wilds of an economically dead part of scotland
> or the M4 towards Cardiff and London

what does that have to do with british nationalism?