Low Gaul morale

**anubis88** · 03-09-2010, 21:55

Also, perhaps you had this kinda situation, the domino effect. Like in my SPQR campaign, i attacked a 3500 ptoly army with 2000 romans, and once i engaded the line an the FM died, i rushed at left flank with my extraodrinarii, and first the first unit routed, then then next phalanx, and then the next and in 10 seconds the whole army statred to rout. I lost only 100 men even though the ptolies had like 8 phalanx units, and i almost no cavalry

**Kival** · 03-09-2010, 22:01

I've seen your arme composition in the EB empires thread and with that army it's no wonder, that you root the celts so fast; seven units of sweboz bodyguards are seven units of elites and 5 units of experienced slingers kill about half of the enemy army before you can engage them.

EDIT: Typo.

**Unintended BM** · 03-09-2010, 23:25

Originally Posted by Kival

I've seen your arme composition in the EB empires thread and with that army it's no wonder, that you root the celts so fast; seven units of sweboz bodyguards are seven units of elites and 5 units of experienced slingers kill about have of the enemy army before you can engage them.

That's not my usual army, but that army was awesome. I had three big armies going through gaul, and they all met up around there, so to save troops and to beat the crap out of everything, I just did that. Usually I just use a bunch of spearmen and maybe 1 or 2 FMs with some germanic archers.

**Ca Putt** · 03-10-2010, 00:18

with some germanic archers.

ah the crappiest of the archers yet in the campaign probably the most effective :DDD

Celts do have rather low morale compered to Sweboz when similar looking units face each other, yet Sweboz units have pretty high moral overall(probably do to what athanaic said) the advantage of the celts(next to economic advantages of course) (and their Elite units) is their weapon technology, they have a lot more and better swords than the Sweboz and tend to have better armor. in my Sweboz campaign the celts were easy prey until they started useing bataroas as line troops. Dugunthiz are exellent line troops(when no archers around) but those guys just got better choppaz^^. this made them a easy enemy...

**Cute Wolf** · 03-10-2010, 04:10

And don't forget about them....

When the Gauls switch to heavy armoured swordsmen and fancy heavy cavalries, these guys will save your ass...

I swear in frontal combat, one unit of them could beat one unit of Solduros!!!

**Unintended BM** · 03-10-2010, 04:29

I started an Arverni game, and the lower morale is apparent, at least for the spearmen. I've never had any german troops rout when I was using them, but both the levy and regular gaul spearmen rout whenever I have them holding their place in towns. I have them block a street in a town, then send my swordsmen around to the other side to flank the enemy, but half the time, my spearmen rout before I can get my swordmen around.

In my Sweboz game, I basically already wiped out the gauls, so I'm not worried about fighting them. I'm worried about fighting the Sweboz on my Arverni game now though.

**Cute Wolf** · 03-10-2010, 04:38

Originally Posted by Unintended BM

I started an Arverni game, and the lower morale is apparent, at least for the spearmen. I've never had any german troops rout when I was using them, but both the levy and regular gaul spearmen rout whenever I have them holding their place in towns. I have them block a street in a town, then send my swordsmen around to the other side to flank the enemy, but half the time, my spearmen rout before I can get my swordmen around.

In my Sweboz game, I basically already wiped out the gauls, so I'm not worried about fighting them. I'm worried about fighting the Sweboz on my Arverni game now though.

1) Did you built Taverns on your home? If yes, don't forget that for some good reasons, More Civilized Celts are prone to had bad vices (and yes, morale reducing) vices from Taverns..... where the Sweboz got insane and get Berserkergang, Biting Shields, and much morale improving vices...

2) Made sure the Sweboz army didn't have naked guys in black...
3) Train your own naked guys... they improve the morale of your men (the Uirodusios)

**Macilrille** · 03-10-2010, 17:10

Originally Posted by Unintended BM

I started an Arverni game, and the lower morale is apparent, at least for the spearmen. I've never had any german troops rout when I was using them, but both the levy and regular gaul spearmen rout whenever I have them holding their place in towns. I have them block a street in a town, then send my swordsmen around to the other side to flank the enemy, but half the time, my spearmen rout before I can get my swordmen around.

In my Sweboz game, I basically already wiped out the gauls, so I'm not worried about fighting them. I'm worried about fighting the Sweboz on my Arverni game now though.

Everybody worries about the Sweboz, as it should be. Historically everybody did.