Mafia IX: Triumph of the Mafia [Concluded]

[Secura]

Actually plausible enough.

I was under the impression that Psychonaut was joking around, but I'd be happy to hear your thoughts on why it's plausible. :3

[Diamondeye]

I was under the impression that Psychonaut was joking around, but I'd be happy to hear your thoughts on why it's plausible. :3

If I actually was mafia I'd be clapping my hands right now since Secura just forwarded me an innocent PM.

Since I am not, I'll just say we should be careful with who we forward the innocent PM to. Not that I would suspect GH of leaving the mafia without a copy of it, but whatever.

The town has my word that Secura is able to procure the innocent PM. Whether that means anything, I'll let others decide.

Oh and to actually respond to your question; you're far from the top suspect, you're simply good at looking scummy.

[Secura]

I knew you were innocent though, which is why I didn't advocate your bandwagon (don't think Chaotix was scum either), and thus why I showed you the PM that is identical to your own. I wouldn't have done that if you weren't dead, nor would I have done so if I wasn't so bloody frustrated right now.

I still want to know what it is that appeared scummy in my Methos-related post, though; if something I'm doing is looking scummy when I'm town, then I'm playing bad or your interpretations are askew.

To me, my post is explanitory and offers food for thought to town regarding Methos and Renata (the latter particularly, who seems to have gone from a near-death experience in the first day phase to a single vote in the second), and I've asked two very good players about my post and they've agreed it doesn't seem scummy, but to others it seems to be. I'd like to know why it's considered scummy to explain one's thoughts but not to simply type a vote and a short, unrelated sentence such as "vote: X. X needs to die".

[Beskar]

I'd like to know why it's considered scummy to explain one's thoughts but not to simply type a vote and a short, unrelated sentence such as "vote: X. X needs to die".

Not true, since you basucally ripped it from my post, Diamond Eyes and Ibn both said it was scummy.

In short, people talk out of their behind and they are the ones who should be lynched.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Secura, I already told you about this in dethy mini. Trying to prove your innocence with things like forwarding pm's and claiming roles is scummy, because it works really, really well for mafia. In capo I acquired the townie pm and later a detective pm as mafia. Many mafioso's have done that. Giving the mafia the townie pm or a fake claim is standard modding procedure. Captain Blackadder gave Double A a fake claim remember? So when you do that, it really says nothing about you being townie. What it does do is convince some people that you are innocent--without good reason. Which makes it very appealing for mafia to try.

People are jumping on your case on methos because they think it's scummy that you'd make a big persuasive post this early.

[Beskar]

Sasaki's ending line is the reason I didn't bother and just said that Methos needs to die. Anyone with a brain cell automatically knew why I said that (such as Renata), those without are the obvious ones.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I think khaan needs to die.

[Subotan]

So when you do that, it really says nothing about you being townie. What it does do is convince some people that you are innocent--without good reason. Which makes it very appealing for mafia to try.

So why do you believe Jolt in Shadow Fort then?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So why do you believe Jolt in Shadow Fort then?

I believed him before he posted the pm.

[Secura]

Not true, since you basucally ripped it from my post, Diamond Eyes and Ibn both said it was scummy.

People do this all the time though. Your vote was picked up on because of who you are; I've seen similar votes slip by all the time without anyone batting an eyelid.

In short, people talk out of their behind and they are the ones who should be lynched.

Am I in that club? I spoke to you about Methos at your home yesterday, and you expressed frustration that nobody else seemed to care about his unvoting; I genuinely found it suspicious and agreed with you, so I posted what I did. He answered and abated some of my concerns, but new ones arose as a result.

Secura, I already told you about this in dethy mini. Trying to prove your innocence with things like forwarding pm's and claiming roles is scummy, because it works really, really well for mafia.

Yes, and I was town there too. I'm fine with being accused like so when I'm mafia, because at least people are right in their suspicions, but when I'm town it frustrates me beyond comprehension because it seems to say "you're doing it wrong". It seems like you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't most of the time.

People are jumping on your case on methos because they think it's scummy that you'd make a big persuasive post this early.

It's me laying down my thoughts on the situation, because nobody else seems to do so beyond one or two noncommittal sentences. It's like two English gentleman sat down simply exchanging monosyllabic pleasantries with one another; "mmmm", "yes", "quite", "rather", and it was irking the hell out of me.

The thread needed some more debate injected into it beyond stupid random bandwagonning and I took that to task. As I said, Methos' unvoting had been unchallenged by all except Beskar, and Renata's five votes decreased to a single vote despite the fact she was still setting off people's scumdars.

If I'm scummy for doing that, then I play town wrong and I should stop now.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Yes, and I was town there too. I'm fine with being accused like so when I'm mafia, because at least people are right in their suspicions, but when I'm town it frustrates me beyond comprehension because it seems to say "you're doing it wrong". It seems like you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't most of the time.

Well, simply, since it doesn't make you innocent and is a very good tactic for mafia, you will get voted for it. This is why "I always lurk" doesn't work as a defense either.

It's me laying down my thoughts on the situation, because nobody else seems to do so beyond one or two noncommittal sentences. It's like two English gentleman sat down simply exchanging monosyllabic pleasantries with one another; "mmmm", "yes", "quite", "rather", and it was irking the hell out of me.

The thread needed some more debate injected into it beyond stupid random bandwagonning and I took that to task. As I said, Methos' unvoting had been unchallenged by all except Beskar, and Renata's five votes decreased to a single vote despite the fact she was still setting off people's scumdars.

If I'm scummy for doing that, then I play town wrong and I should stop now.

I didn't mind your methos case. But you look less scummy if you ask him questions to draw him out, and only focus your claims on the scummiest things he's done rather than the little things. This works when accusing people as scum too.

[Subotan]

I believed him before he posted the pm.

And why was that?