Mafia IX: Triumph of the Mafia [Concluded]

I knew I had good reason to suspect you, Kage. That's not what I said at all, especially the second point, which is incredibly over the top and pointless from any town standpoint.

For the first point, why not ask ATPG about it, who requested it in the first place? Because I'm an easier target?

Originally Posted by Renata

I knew I had good reason to suspect you, Kage. That's not what I said at all, especially the second point, which is incredibly over the top and pointless from any town standpoint.

For the first point, why not ask ATPG about it, who requested it in the first place? Because I'm an easier target?

You lost me there now. I asked you questions. Why arent you answering, but accusing me of something i cant quite comprehend?I wasnt making any statements. As you must have witnessed already we had quite the talk today with pizza. So are you saying that i should ask pizza about your resoning for your vote?

Because your questions were akin to "have you stopped beating your wife". Seriously, bloodlust? What mechanic is there in this game that would make that comment make sense? It doesn't. It was designed purely to antagonize and make me look bad.

The first one's not quite as horrible, but you're directing it at the wrong person, which makes me wonder why. See, Kage, the *real* questions there, the ones you would ask if you didn't have an agenda, would be along the lines of:

"ATPG, why'd you try to get Renata to save TinCow? Why is TinCow worth saving to you?"
and, "Renata, how can anyone be sure you're not just using ATPG's suggestion as an excuse to do what you wanted to do anyway?"

But no, you went for the over-the-top and the mis-leading and the mis-directed instead. I finally said something you could pounce on, eh?

He waits for that sort of thing... :3

Originally Posted by Renata

Because your questions were akin to "have you stopped beating your wife". Seriously, bloodlust? What mechanic is there in this game that would make that comment make sense? It doesn't. It was designed purely to antagonize and make me look bad.

The first one's not quite as horrible, but you're directing it at the wrong person, which makes me wonder why. See, Kage, the *real* questions there, the ones you would ask if you didn't have an agenda, would be along the lines of:

"ATPG, why'd you try to get Renata to save TinCow? Why is TinCow worth saving to you?"
and, "Renata, how can anyone be sure you're not just using ATPG's suggestion as an excuse to do what you wanted to do anyway?"

But no, you went for the over-the-top and the mis-leading and the mis-directed instead. I finally said something you could pounce on, eh?

Im sorry if i used too colourful words. It is just my style to speak. It is not as if doing something scummy in mafia game would be a huge offense to ones person in real life. But thank you. I think i now know why you changed your vote, which was my reason all along to engage in this conversation. One thing though is strange. If my words made you more confident to think i must be suspicious.Why arent you voting me now?

vote: tincow He needs to provide something more than bandwagoning to survive.

Originally Posted by Kagemusha

Im sorry if i used too colourful words. It is just my style to speak. It is not as if doing something scummy in mafia game would be a huge offense to ones person in real life. But thank you. I think i now know why you changed your vote, which was my reason all along to engage in this conversation. One thing though is strange. If my words made you more confident to think i must be suspicious.Why arent you voting me now?

I can promise you I will be tomorrow. :D

For a more direct answer to a question I'm still not thinking was very genuine (there's two hours or something left, Kage -- the choice has moved beyond you whether I like it or not) -- because it's pointless to leave a vote on someone who's not going to be lynched when you are around to weigh in on the two options who may be.

unvote: tincow; vote abstain

I just realized that I broke the tie between pever and tc with my previous vote. I want to give TC a chance to actually contribute, rather than lynching him immediately. Plus pevergreen is ticking my scumdar for some reason.

Originally Posted by Renata

I can promise you I will be tomorrow. :D

For a more direct answer to a question I'm still not thinking was very genuine (there's two hours or something left, Kage -- the choice has moved beyond you whether I like it or not) -- because it's pointless to leave a vote on someone who's not going to be lynched when you are around to weigh in on the two options who may be.

So you assume my questions are not genuine?Hhmm..I smell paranoia. Which smells like mafia. For me it is enough to know that it was ATPG who suggested you your voting target.

That ain't paranoia, Kagemusha, that's me in hunting mode. Someone killed me off in Shadow Fort and right afterwards you perk up my interest in this game with an ill-advised smudge? Lock and load, baby, lock and load.

W&F, isn't breaking a tie generally a good thing? If you're going to unvote Tincow, why not switch to pever instead of abstaining?

Originally Posted by Renata

That ain't paranoia, Kagemusha, that's me in hunting mode. Someone killed me off in Shadow Fort and right afterwards you perk up my interest in this game with an ill-advised smudge? Lock and load, baby, lock and load.

If im creating activity.Then i consider my task fullfilled. :)

Voting closed.

Looks like there's going to be a tie, but let me take a tally and confirm that. Stand by.

Tie vote between TinCow and pevergreen. You guys know the drill. See you in 24 hours.

Day 6 tally:
TinCow: 5 (Joooray, Thermal, Ibn, Kage, Reenk)
pevergreen: 5 (Sasaki, TinCow, ATPG, Subotan, Renata)
Askthepizzaguy: 2 (Methos, pever)
Kagemusha: 1 (Blackadder)
Sasaki Kojiro: 1 (Beefy)
Thermal Mercury: 1 (Psychonaut)

Abstained: 1 (woad&fangs)
Didn't vote: Nobody!

vote: pevergreen

Vote: Tincow

Vote: Tincow. It is quite strange how suddenly when Tincow´s head entered the chopping block the whole trio of Tincow,Sasaki and ATPG fell silent.

Another pointless smudge. Just how many mafia do you think there are?

Vote:pevergreen

Pever is lurking and had a late wagon that tried to save him from lynch. TinCow will be more active and less bandwagony after shadow fort is over (he said when he signed up he only had time for one game) and actually provides useful analysis, unlike pever.

pevergreen has no reason to lurk; he's dead in Shadow Fort, so should be more active in this game.

Bear in mind that he's in a vastly different time-zone than the rest of us, though. :3

Originally Posted by Renata

Another pointless smudge. Just how many mafia do you think there are?

You are taking things way too seriously madam. I was merely trying to get their attention.

Vote: pevergreen

pevergreen was in a desert walking along in the sand when all of the sudden he looked down, and saw a tortoise. It crawled toward him. He reached down and flipped the tortoise over on its back. The tortoise lay on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it couldn't, not without pevergreen's help. But he was not helping. Why weren't you helping pevergreen?

Originally Posted by Secura

pevergreen has no reason to lurk; he's dead in Shadow Fort, so should be more active in this game.

Bear in mind that he's in a vastly different time-zone than the rest of us, though. :3

He hasnt probably even got out from bed yet. Isnt it very early morning in Australia?So being awake when everybody else is sleeping and vice versa hardly can be counted as lurking. On the other hand we have here Tincow who is posting total gibberish and contributing absolutely nothing. The decision is quite obvious.

Originally Posted by Renata

You complaining? :)

ATPG buttonholed me earlier and made a couple of arguments for pever over Tincow. First, that TinCow's "strategy" is too likely to get him lynched to be a likely mafia tactic. Second, that pever's typical playstyle isn't really conducive to late-game issues, regardless of his alignment. Third ... I can't remember if there was a third. Anyway, it made sense. It was very logical. Which is why I say I'm too easy to manipulate. You'd think eventually I'd learn, but no.

Finally, because my vote on you was doing no good, and the day is winding down, and I'm here. May as well make a choice among the two options available.

It seems that a lot of people are playing risky OMG HE CANNOT BE MAFIA strategies, well I think that's nonsense, he knows he can pull it off, and would you look, all the controversial players are still alive, risky strategies are by no means exclusive to town.

Your 2nd point basically condemns pevergreen for acting normal, and thats all you have, at least have the gall to call it a bandwagonning vote.

What it means kage, is that pever will never post enough for us to even guess at whether he is mafia. TinCow will. So the math is simple.

Having lurkers alive in endgame is terrible.

It seems that a lot of people are playing risky OMG HE CANNOT BE MAFIA strategies, well I think that's nonsense, he knows he can pull it off, and would you look, all the controversial players are still alive, risky strategies are by no means exclusive to town.

Controversial players don't get killed by the mafia.

Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

What it means kage, is that pever will never post enough for us to even guess at whether he is mafia. TinCow will. So the math is simple.

Having lurkers alive in endgame is terrible.

Well having people alive just because who they are is just as bad. In matter of fact im quite sure pevergreen has talked more in this thread today compared to Tincow. So your point is simply put shallow.

Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Vote:pevergreen

Pever is lurking and had a late wagon that tried to save him from lynch. TinCow will be more active and less bandwagony after shadow fort is over (he said when he signed up he only had time for one game) and actually provides useful analysis, unlike pever.

What good is his absent useful analysis when the most we can get out of him is flipping over tortoises?

Originally Posted by Thermal Mercury

What good is his absent useful analysis when the most we can get out of him is flipping over tortoises?

They’re just questions, Thermal Mercury. In answer to your query, they’re written down for me. It’s a test, designed to provoke an emotional response. Shall we continue? Describe in single words, only the good things that come into your mind. About your mother.

Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Controversial players don't get killed by the mafia.

I'm well aware of this because town is more likely to lynch them, which is why a controversial player being a mafia aligned player is the most dangerous. Mafia aren't going to kill players such as ATPG, yet there continual scummy behavior will lead to a wasted lynch if hes innocent.

Originally Posted by TinCow

They’re just questions, Thermal Mercury. In answer to your query, they’re written down for me. It’s a test, designed to provoke an emotional response. Shall we continue? Describe in single words, only the good things that come into your mind. About your mother.

So while you are too busy to play the game you have the time to do psychonalysis from people? Off with your head i say.