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    Thank you for the quick clarification!
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    Unvote: White_eyes:D Unvote: Winston Hughes
    Vote: Secura

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    Vote: Secura

    Seems to be acting scummy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Blackadder View Post
    Vote: Secura

    Seems to be acting scummy.
    You've actually got to be kidding me with this vote.
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    It is nice Secura adopted the wisdom of my vote.
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    Voting closed.

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    Day Two of voting had officially ended. All in all the day was a bit more subdued than yesterday, although there were still several interesting discussions that happened. Several of the townspeople took very professorial tones when discussing their cases - although truth be told it was more about the theory of wider detective work than actual cases on people - and others, much to the chagrin of the official vote-counters, voted for targets that had no chance of getting lynched.

    Early in the day though, Chaotix set himself to be the main target. However, this was not because he was the object of the passionate-but-random bandwagon that doomed Diamondeye. Instead, he was bandwagoned because he spoke out against that exact type of bandwagon; too loudly, some reasoned. "Almost as if he had something to hide," one villager would say afterwards.

    Chaotix, however, would not lie down and die, instead trying to engage the "professorial" townies with academic logic of his own. This endeavor was mildly successful, but the increasingly-verbose Chaotix, forgetting how he got into this situation in the first place, probably kept talking too much for his own good.

    "See, now, folks," he said, "the problem is with random lynches is that they're just that: random! They fail to factor in the data or the context of the situation, which means that in reality their percent chance of success is actually lower than what it should be because the Mafia know this and are thus able to manipulate the context to make it less likely that the 'random' votes will attract them, which means that in reality random votes are not random at all! So, faced with this parcel of knowledge, we should instead not randomly, but purposefully, vote for those who would randomly vote for others, since their randomness is precisely the purpose and unrandomness that dooms us all! So, in conclusion, the random achieves predetermined, manipulated results, and only by fighting the random can we truly embrace it! Uh, mind getting your votes off me now?"

    General bewilderment and silence followed this discourse.

    Chaotix tried to reword his argument so that the unenlightened peons would be able to better understand the majesty of his rhetoric, but Chief of Police Lemur stepped in and formally called a halt to voting. "A pretty speech my friend, but it's too little, too late. You have the most votes. Step on up to the execution platform now."

    Softly cursing, Chaotix did as he was told, still muttering under his breath about the value of randomness in voting. As he mounted the steps to the execution platform he changed the subject, openly about to ask Lemur a question. "You know, Chief, so what do I-WAAAAAAGH!" On the final step, Chaotix had failed to notice the placement of a banana peel and slipped on it, falling face forward.

    Fortunately, there was something to break his fall. Unfortunately, it was a giant spike. Chaotix fell right into it, the spike impaling him through the mouth.

    Lemur shook his head. "Should've kept his mouth shut," he said.


    Day 2 tally:

    Chaotix: 5 (Renata, Joooray, Csargo, ATPG, Sasaki)
    Methos: 4 (Beskar, shlin, Secura, Chaotix)
    Subotan: 3 (khaan, TinCow, john)
    Secura: 2 (Psychonaut, Blackadder)
    Sasaki Kojiro: 1 (White_eyes)
    White_eyes:D: 1 (Reenk)
    Yaseikhaan: 1 (Methos)
    Joooray: 1 (Beefy)
    Renata: 1 (Centurion)
    woad&fangs: 1 (Kage)
    Beskar: 1 (Ibn-Khaldun)
    Psychonaut: 1 (Winston)
    Beefy187: 1 (woad)
    TinCow: 1 (Thermal)

    Abstained: 1 (pevergreen)
    Didn't vote: 4 (Sigurd, Kage, Subotan, CDF)

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Still alive: (28)
    Yaseikhaan
    Sasaki Kojiro
    Secura
    Csargo
    johnhughthom
    Askthepizzaguy
    Beefy187
    Methos
    White_eyes:D
    Sigurd
    Kagemusha
    Subotan
    Beskar
    Captain Blackadder
    Joooray
    pevergreen
    Renata
    shlin28
    Winston Hughes
    Centurion1
    Thermal Mercury
    Cultured Drizzt fan
    Ibn-Khaldun
    woad&fangs
    Psychonaut
    spL1tp3r50naL1ty
    TinCow
    Reenk Roink

    Killed:
    Crazed Rabbit
    Andres
    atheotes
    Double A

    Executed:
    Diamondeye
    Chaotix
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaotix View Post
    Also, no matter what justification you give for voting me... it's still hypocritical because it's based on a justification or a suspicion, and not on randomness.
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    I may vote randomly or I may vote against someone who thinks random is a bad idea. And while not purely consistent, it is still based on the same philosophy.
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    I realize the update has already occurred, but I'll answer these anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Secura View Post
    I've been mulling the thread over, taking into consideration those killed and the votes that have been cast, and a few things stand out as suspicious to me. The one unshakable thing is Methos' unvoting of Renata in the previous day phase... why?

    Now consider this post; he states that he is aware his actions are going to look suspicious, but he unvotes regardless. He does not place his vote elsewhere, either, despite stating that he feels Diamond could have been mafia too. What is the reasoning behind unvoting as such?
    I work in the evening and work blocks this site. I can access this site via my iPhone, but since these games move so fast, I prefer to wait until I get home (Midnight Central US time) and use my Mac.

    I had chatted with Renata and I could tell that she didn't care about whether she was lynched or not. I felt that if she was mafia, she would have argued, but she didn't. Note, I said argued, not argued more. She didn't seem to care at all. Being that it was so early in the game, I figured that she felt since she didn't have anything invested in the game, then she didn't care about being lynched. My belief was she was a townie and I didn't want my vote to accidently cause her lynch.

    In short, I don't see a need to unvote if he was sure that Renata was guilty, and if he was not, he had professed Diamond was suspicious,
    As I stated above, I was sure Renata was a townie and since I was in the process of leaving for work, I simply unvoted and left it at that.

    Currently I can only think of three reasons behind this behaviour:

    - Methos and Renata are the mafia; in an attempt at distancing himself he joined the arguments against Renata, but knowing that he had to head out to work, he couldn't be certain that his vote wouldn't lead to his scum buddie's death, so he unvoted to be sure. He posted "I know this is gonna look suspicious" in order to dissipate some of the pressure that he might face, then leaves the thread until the next day; his scum buddy survives by a single vote.
    Seems rather foolish to me. Why would two mafia do something that makes them both look scummy?

    - Methos is the mafia, Renata is not; he voted in an attempt to blend in with the crowd, but realised that someone like Renata is a bad enemy to have; she's more than capable of picking apart an argument/vote and he perhaps wanted a townie on-side. She is saved from trouble by that single vote.
    If I was mafia and thought Renata was a bad enemy to have then wouldn't I want her to be lynched? Plus, trying to hide my mafianess from Renata would be darn near impossible. It'd be much safer to string her up.

    - Methos is simply town drawing attention to himself and I'm blowing everything out of proportion.
    Er, unfortunately this is correct. At least I didn't have to agree to you stating I'm an idiot, rather then just implying it.

    One thing I do find interesting is that Secura is asking questions she knows the answer to. In the d20 game I had stated that I was unable to access the site from work due to the firewall, yet I could access QT just fine and I preferred conversations done via QT (kept me from typing on my phone). Why ask why I didn't vote before the update when you knew about my work firewall?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Methos View Post
    I had chatted with Renata and I could tell that she didn't care about whether she was lynched or not. I felt that if she was mafia, she would have argued, but she didn't. Note, I said argued, not argued more. She didn't seem to care at all.
    And how can you be certain that this isn't WIFOM in itself, and simply something that Renata wishes you to believe? You cannot take someone's words as mere face value in mafia, because anything and everything could be a ploy to trick you.

    I personally don't buy it. Everyone should have something vested in this game, town or otherwise; there's no power roles, it's down to town to win the game not investigation results. The opinion of every townie counts, dead or alive.

    Why would two mafia do something that makes them both look scummy?
    WIFOM, that's why.

    If I was mafia and thought Renata was a bad enemy to have then wouldn't I want her to be lynched? Plus, trying to hide my mafianess from Renata would be darn near impossible. It'd be much safer to string her up.
    I concede that this is entirely plausible, but bad enemies can just as often make good allies. I take Noblesse Oblige as an example here; Csargo (as Kira) attempted to kill me in an early night phase, and I was set on finding and killing him after surviving his heart attack, yet eventually he became my ally by the end of the game.

    Necessity can make you change your opinions of things and perhaps look for allies in unlikely places, that's all.

    I'm curious though, why would you be unable to hide being mafia from Renata?

    Er, unfortunately this is correct. At least I didn't have to agree to you stating I'm an idiot, rather then just implying it.
    I apologise if it seems as though I was calling you an idiot, that wasn't my intention. Townies do ballsy, occasionally foolish things all the time; it's how we lure out the scum. Look at Beskar in Shadow Fort; he was almost lynched for trying this.

    One thing I do find interesting is that Secura is asking questions she knows the answer to. In the d20 game I had stated that I was unable to access the site from work due to the firewall, yet I could access QT just fine and I preferred conversations done via QT (kept me from typing on my phone). Why ask why I didn't vote before the update when you knew about my work firewall?
    While I might have been informed about this in the past, I concede that I had forgotten about your work firewall; I simply have alot more important things to remember. I do remember that you posted via iPhone, but you casting a vote while at work wasn't the crux of my argument; I wanted to know why you unvoted Renata as you did, that's all.
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    Secura = guilty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief View Post
    I don't tally votes until I close voting, so edited posts are fine. Just don't be sneaky and edit a post from 18 hours ago or something to put a vote in.

    -edit- Let's make it an hour to I close voting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychonaut View Post
    Secura = guilty.
    Actually plausible enough.
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    secura my voting finger is itching.

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    Vote: Secura

    Always scummy, but always scum? Lets find out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondeye View Post
    Actually plausible enough.
    I was under the impression that Psychonaut was joking around, but I'd be happy to hear your thoughts on why it's plausible. :3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy View Post
    I feel like I am not articulating my point. I wouldn't follow someone based on their "reasoning" this early in the game, because their reasoning is nonsense. It's trying to make a guessing game into something scientific when it isn't.
    You might not, I might not, but many people already have, if you ready my post on chain voting, you'd see my point, that people seem to be voting for the last person who voted, because they vote isn't well constructed, well there not going to be well constructed at this stage....

    Quote Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy View Post
    The chances of killing both mafia increase substantially when we don't buy into their bullspit. Randomness negates that. Who decides what is random? I don't know. roll the dice, pick a card. Whoever suggests that someone dies based on no reasoning should end up dead later. Therefore I trust their opinion as far as I can hang their soon-to-be lifeless body. That's my system.
    But townies are all to happy to tell 'bullspit' too, mafia may be happy just to lay low...either way, randomness at the start is about the best you can do, but as we progress, analysis and pattern spotting is clearer and able to give up a better chance of catching mafia than any old random pick.

    Quote Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy View Post
    When others suggest "well I dunno... maybe they are mafia and they are just trying to lead us to death" I think people are totally, totally ignoring all my posts regarding how completely dumb it is for someone to suggest that we should follow them, when the caveat for me following them is that I will personally work to make sure they end up dead later on. And I would hope you all would as well.

    This is a tactic. You can agree or disagree with it, vote me to death for it, ignore it... but please don't mischaracterize it.

    But, I've explained myself as best I can. I now feel like I'm beating it to death by even talking about it.
    Following people in a game like this is not a good idea, you should create you own lead, whether that is out of randomness (as you suggest) or from analysis (which is basically randomness which turns into something more useful as the game progresses). So I agree following people is poor, as they are also voting randomly or are mafia and making things worse, but people do it, a lot of people, which is why I wouldn't condemn them all for it, as you would...

    I agree in part, no need to vote against you for an interesting strategy, I don't feel I mischaracterized it.

    Not at all, thanks for the reply.

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    secura i was joking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Secura View Post
    I was under the impression that Psychonaut was joking around, but I'd be happy to hear your thoughts on why it's plausible. :3
    If I actually was mafia I'd be clapping my hands right now since Secura just forwarded me an innocent PM.

    Since I am not, I'll just say we should be careful with who we forward the innocent PM to. Not that I would suspect GH of leaving the mafia without a copy of it, but whatever.

    The town has my word that Secura is able to procure the innocent PM. Whether that means anything, I'll let others decide.

    Oh and to actually respond to your question; you're far from the top suspect, you're simply good at looking scummy.
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    I knew you were innocent though, which is why I didn't advocate your bandwagon (don't think Chaotix was scum either), and thus why I showed you the PM that is identical to your own. I wouldn't have done that if you weren't dead, nor would I have done so if I wasn't so bloody frustrated right now.

    I still want to know what it is that appeared scummy in my Methos-related post, though; if something I'm doing is looking scummy when I'm town, then I'm playing bad or your interpretations are askew.

    To me, my post is explanitory and offers food for thought to town regarding Methos and Renata (the latter particularly, who seems to have gone from a near-death experience in the first day phase to a single vote in the second), and I've asked two very good players about my post and they've agreed it doesn't seem scummy, but to others it seems to be. I'd like to know why it's considered scummy to explain one's thoughts but not to simply type a vote and a short, unrelated sentence such as "vote: X. X needs to die".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Secura View Post
    I'd like to know why it's considered scummy to explain one's thoughts but not to simply type a vote and a short, unrelated sentence such as "vote: X. X needs to die".
    Not true, since you basucally ripped it from my post, Diamond Eyes and Ibn both said it was scummy.

    In short, people talk out of their behind and they are the ones who should be lynched.
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    Secura, I already told you about this in dethy mini. Trying to prove your innocence with things like forwarding pm's and claiming roles is scummy, because it works really, really well for mafia. In capo I acquired the townie pm and later a detective pm as mafia. Many mafioso's have done that. Giving the mafia the townie pm or a fake claim is standard modding procedure. Captain Blackadder gave Double A a fake claim remember? So when you do that, it really says nothing about you being townie. What it does do is convince some people that you are innocent--without good reason. Which makes it very appealing for mafia to try.

    People are jumping on your case on methos because they think it's scummy that you'd make a big persuasive post this early.

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    Sasaki's ending line is the reason I didn't bother and just said that Methos needs to die. Anyone with a brain cell automatically knew why I said that (such as Renata), those without are the obvious ones.
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    I think khaan needs to die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro View Post
    So when you do that, it really says nothing about you being townie. What it does do is convince some people that you are innocent--without good reason. Which makes it very appealing for mafia to try.
    So why do you believe Jolt in Shadow Fort then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    Not true, since you basucally ripped it from my post, Diamond Eyes and Ibn both said it was scummy.
    People do this all the time though. Your vote was picked up on because of who you are; I've seen similar votes slip by all the time without anyone batting an eyelid.

    In short, people talk out of their behind and they are the ones who should be lynched.
    Am I in that club? I spoke to you about Methos at your home yesterday, and you expressed frustration that nobody else seemed to care about his unvoting; I genuinely found it suspicious and agreed with you, so I posted what I did. He answered and abated some of my concerns, but new ones arose as a result.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro View Post
    Secura, I already told you about this in dethy mini. Trying to prove your innocence with things like forwarding pm's and claiming roles is scummy, because it works really, really well for mafia.
    Yes, and I was town there too. I'm fine with being accused like so when I'm mafia, because at least people are right in their suspicions, but when I'm town it frustrates me beyond comprehension because it seems to say "you're doing it wrong". It seems like you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't most of the time.

    People are jumping on your case on methos because they think it's scummy that you'd make a big persuasive post this early.
    It's me laying down my thoughts on the situation, because nobody else seems to do so beyond one or two noncommittal sentences. It's like two English gentleman sat down simply exchanging monosyllabic pleasantries with one another; "mmmm", "yes", "quite", "rather", and it was irking the hell out of me.

    The thread needed some more debate injected into it beyond stupid random bandwagonning and I took that to task. As I said, Methos' unvoting had been unchallenged by all except Beskar, and Renata's five votes decreased to a single vote despite the fact she was still setting off people's scumdars.

    If I'm scummy for doing that, then I play town wrong and I should stop now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Subotan View Post
    So why do you believe Jolt in Shadow Fort then?
    I believed him before he posted the pm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Secura View Post
    Yes, and I was town there too. I'm fine with being accused like so when I'm mafia, because at least people are right in their suspicions, but when I'm town it frustrates me beyond comprehension because it seems to say "you're doing it wrong". It seems like you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't most of the time.
    Well, simply, since it doesn't make you innocent and is a very good tactic for mafia, you will get voted for it. This is why "I always lurk" doesn't work as a defense either.

    It's me laying down my thoughts on the situation, because nobody else seems to do so beyond one or two noncommittal sentences. It's like two English gentleman sat down simply exchanging monosyllabic pleasantries with one another; "mmmm", "yes", "quite", "rather", and it was irking the hell out of me.

    The thread needed some more debate injected into it beyond stupid random bandwagonning and I took that to task. As I said, Methos' unvoting had been unchallenged by all except Beskar, and Renata's five votes decreased to a single vote despite the fact she was still setting off people's scumdars.

    If I'm scummy for doing that, then I play town wrong and I should stop now.
    I didn't mind your methos case. But you look less scummy if you ask him questions to draw him out, and only focus your claims on the scummiest things he's done rather than the little things. This works when accusing people as scum too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro View Post
    I believed him before he posted the pm.
    And why was that?

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    LOL, I did it again, wrong thread.
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    Will you people be quiet??? I'm trying to murder and all I hear is YAK YAK YAK.

    The next person who talks gets to die first.
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