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    Default Re: If it wasn't so mean-spirited, it would be funny...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    she will wreck everything in her way to fulfill her selfish needs
    And again: How did she wreck anything?

    The school decided to cancel the prom. She did not present an ultimatum along the lines of "Either you will allow me to come with my date or I will make sure that nobody can go to the prom". This was solely the decision of people who rather cancel the fun for everybody instead of allowing a person something that could not possibly have ruined the prom for anybody who would not have chosen to have it ruined.

    Your line of argument is in no way different from any argument that could have been made in the past for segregation.

    you don't win arguments by forcing your view on others
    This is also a very strange argument in this context

    Firstly: What did she try to force on others? The simple presence of a gay couple? It seems to me that only the school is guilty of forcing a view on somebody. In this case for her the effects (not being allowed to come to the prom with her date) are much more tangible then the potential effect on others (having to "endure" the mere presence of an openly gay couple - and I have not even read of another student commenting that the gay couple would have ruined the prom if they would have been allowed to come)

    Secondly: What would have been the alternative to "win" the argument? According to the arguments so far, just being openly gay already qualifies as "forcing your view on others".
    Should she have simply done nothing? Not coming to the prom at all? Sitting at home and cry? Guess that would have really helped to "win" the argument and to convince the school that the next year they should be more tolerant ...
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    Default Re: If it wasn't so mean-spirited, it would be funny...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ser Clegane View Post
    And again: How did she wreck anything?
    Not expllicit means implicit im this sort of speak, so the school didn't explicity state that they would cancel the prom otherwise it's called denial, so that means they hinted at it. Clearly enough for everybody to understand. She put her heels in the sand (is that even english) and so did the school. Why doesn't enyone consider the position of the school, what if they allowed it in a place such as that I tried to argue that before, it's a deeply conservative part of America what choice do they really have, might not like the general consensus of the place but it's what they have to work with anyway, she cornered them and cornered cats make odd jumps as we say here. If it is a tradition that is so important for her, why it so unimportant for her?

    Traditions can change too, you know. Societies evolve. Discrimination is no longer accepted nowadays. That's a good thing too, if you ask me.

    Sure but give it the time it requires. I am just as progressive as you guys when it comes to this and I think it is a wasted opertunity, but when you overdo it it becomes harassment. When you are overdoing it depends on the place, these people have just as much right on their way of looking at things.
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    Default Re: If it wasn't so mean-spirited, it would be funny...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Not expllicit means implicit im this sort of speak, so the school didn't explicity state that they would cancel the prom otherwise it's called denial, so that means they hinted at it. Clearly enough for everybody to understand. She put her heels in the sand (is that even english) and so did the school. Why doesn't enyone consider the position of the school, what if they allowed it in a place such as that I tried to argue that before, it's a deeply conservative part of America what choice do they really have, might not like the general consensus of the place but it's what they have to work with anyway, she cornered them and cornered cats make odd jumps as we say here. If it is a tradition that is so important for her, why it so unimportant for her?

    Traditions can change too, you know. Societies evolve. Discrimination is no longer accepted nowadays. That's a good thing too, if you ask me.

    Sure but give it the time it requires. I am just as progressive as you guys when it comes to this and I think it is a wasted opertunity, but when you overdo it it becomes harassment. When you are overdoing it depends on the place, these people have just as much right on their way of looking at things.
    just because time is required doesnt mean you may oppose it. or try to speed things up. how many time are muslims given to integrate into our society?

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