If it wasn't so mean-spirited, it would be funny...

**Rhyfelwyr** · 03-19-2010, 18:35

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

She has done no wrong in simply asking for what is hers, which is the same rights and treatment as everyone else.

You mean the right to take a person of the opposite sex to the prom, the same way everyone else does?

lol, I don't really think that, but the school could see things that way.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 03-19-2010, 19:05

Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

You mean the right to take a person of the opposite sex to the prom, the same way everyone else does?

lol, I don't really think that, but the school could see things that way.

You mean the right to take a person to a public event, not a private religious meeting, the same way everyone else does? The girl was doing nothing wrong.

The school seems to forget that minorities deserve equal treatment under the law, and they seem to forget that discrimination against gays in this fashion is still illegal, that's why the girl contacted the ACLU when her rights were trampled on. Oh, but they remembered just in time to cover their butts and cancel the event for everyone.

**Seamus Fermanagh** · 03-19-2010, 21:53

You can legislate changes much more easily than you can educate people to accept the wisdom behind the changes. Give it time. The lass in question has made her point -- internationally -- and it will add to the mix.

**Don Corleone** · 03-21-2010, 04:20

This thread reads like the worst of what I've come to expect in political/sociological discourse these days. You've all made intelligent, well-thought out arguments, don't get me wrong...

It just strikes me that there is a presumptive view that everyone must embrace every idea the majority finds favor with.

Of course the high school in question was expressing bigoted behavior. What bothers me is what Seamus hinted at in his last post, and I'll undercore for effect... you don't win arguments by forcing your view on others... you create partisans that way. Democracies aren't about getting 50.1% of the people to craw laws down the throats of the remaining 49.9% population....

Catholic priests won't marry gay couples. Should 50.1% of the population (or some small legislative block) pass laws to throw them in jail for not doing so?

Or should we start a dialogue about these things?

WTF!?

**Fragony** · 03-21-2010, 08:28

Originally Posted by Don Corleone

you don't win arguments by forcing your view on others...

sums it up

**PanzerJaeger** · 03-21-2010, 08:40

How many more 16 year olds are going to miss out on a normal, happy life until that other 49.9% figure out that they are children just like all the others, not spawns of Satan? These are real people being ostracized for something as unchangeable as eye color, not some abstract political debate.

**Beskar** · 03-23-2010, 00:03

Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger

How many more 16 year olds are going to miss out on a normal, happy life until that other 49.9% figure out that they are children just like all the others, not spawns of Satan? These are real people being ostracized for something as unchangeable as eye color, not some abstract political debate.

I just almost completely agreed with PanzerJaeger.

The girl is being oppressed by the bigoted organisation. She is born in that area, raised there, she been to that schooll all her highschool life, then suddenly denied the prom because she prefers the company of other females.

She isn't an outcast, she has as much right as anyone else to be there. It is just plain discrimination against her.

What is there to debate? The school was evidently wrong and both sides as said as much.

**Fragony** · 03-23-2010, 06:36

Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger

How many more 16 year olds are going to miss out on a normal, happy life until that other 49.9% figure out that they are children just like all the others, not spawns of Satan? These are real people being ostracized for something as unchangeable as eye color, not some abstract political debate.

I don't know, all I know is that it takes time. We still have political party's that exclude gays and women and this is probably the most gay-friendly country.

**HoreTore** · 03-23-2010, 00:08

Originally Posted by Don Corleone

This thread reads like the worst of what I've come to expect in political/sociological discourse these days. You've all made intelligent, well-thought out arguments, don't get me wrong...

It just strikes me that there is a presumptive view that everyone must embrace every idea the majority finds favor with.

Of course the high school in question was expressing bigoted behavior. What bothers me is what Seamus hinted at in his last post, and I'll undercore for effect... you don't win arguments by forcing your view on others... you create partisans that way. Democracies aren't about getting 50.1% of the people to craw laws down the throats of the remaining 49.9% population....

Catholic priests won't marry gay couples. Should 50.1% of the population (or some small legislative block) pass laws to throw them in jail for not doing so?

Or should we start a dialogue about these things?

WTF!?

No, I don't care what you believe. You can believe that gays are immoral SOB's as much as you like, I don't care. But you can't exclude gays from public life, sorry. You have the right to not like them as you please, they have a right to exist.

I'm not targeting you specifically Don, it's aimed at the people this thread is about....