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    a question:

    if there is no rational mind which makes choices do people still have free will? and if not, when a person has no free will, are they no longer free?

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    Default Re: is there free will?

    It depends on what you mean by free will

    e.g. guidance control vs regulative control

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    Default Re: is there free will?

    As Sasaki went into, it is Semantics.

    Define free will.

    Is having predictable behaviour classed as free will? such as, you enjoy pepperoni pizza, therefore if I gave you pepperoni pizza, I predict you would enjoy it, and when I gave it you, you did.

    As well as personalised tastes, people follow rituals. People generally do the same things all the time, we are creatures of habit. You don't suddenly randomly put on a pink dress and walk out the door just because you chose to, though given circumstances and your behaviour patterns, you might.

    Hypothetically speaking, if I had all the data to how you would respond to something, I could hypothetically tell you your entire life story and how you would react in certain situations. Does this mean you process no free-will? No freedom to make a choice?

    Answer is, you do have the freedom to pick up that pizza and eat it or not, however, behaviour is inherently predictable given if you know a certain about of information about a person, so I could predict what you would freely choose.
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    Default Re: is there free will?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Stranger View Post
    a question:

    if there is no rational mind which makes choices do people still have free will? and if not, when a person has no free will, are they no longer free?
    Who says there is no rational mind? I need more context.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stranger View Post
    a question:

    if there is no rational mind which makes choices do people still have free will? and if not, when a person has no free will, are they no longer free?
    We can still make choices when in an irrational mind so no your question is wrong
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    Re-reading the OP, I think it might be more towards people with learning disabilities or mental illness. Yes, they still have free-will, if it is that.
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    Default Re: is there free will?

    is there free will?
    Of course there is. Because I will it, as do you (all). Without it, there is no randomization or chaos or anarchy, only rock-solid predictability. It is, after all, the Original SIN of Judeo-Christo-Muslo philosophy and tradition, which we are all supposed to be cured of by LAW (a subservience of our free will to a greater good), or a savior.
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    Default Re: is there free will?

    Who says there is no rational mind? I need more context.
    mentally impaired, small children is what i think he is hinting at as beskar has answered.

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    Default Re: is there free will?

    There may be limited conceptual and educated choices in comparison, but there is still free will.
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    Default Re: is there free will?

    Quote Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy View Post
    We can still make choices when in an irrational mind so no your question is wrong
    a question cannot be wrong. :P

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