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    9 Tied to Fundamentalist Christian Militia Charged in Plot Murder Officers

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    WASHINGTON — Nine members of a Michigan-based Christian militia group have been indicted on sedition and weapons charges in connection with an alleged plot to murder law enforcement officers in hopes of setting off an antigovernment uprising.
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    Police officers guarded a home in Clayton, Mich., on Sunday after a raid.

    In court filings unsealed Monday, the Justice Department accused the nine people of planning to kill an unidentified law enforcement officer, then plant improvised explosive devices of a type used by insurgents in Iraq to attack the funeral procession.

    Eight of the defendants were arrested over the weekend in raids in Michigan, Ohio and Indiana. A ninth remained at large, the Justice Department said. The indictments against them were returned last Tuesday. The defendants were identified as members of Hutaree, described by federal prosecutors as an anti-government extremist organization based in Lenawee County, Mich., and which advocates violence against local, state and federal law enforcement. The group saw local and state police as “foot soldiers” for the federal government, which it viewed as its enemy, along with participants in what they deemed to be a “New World Order,” according to the indictment.

    “This is an example of radical and extremist fringe groups which can be found throughout our society,” Andrew Arena, an F.B.I. special agent in charge in Detroit, said in a statement. “The F.B.I. takes such extremist groups seriously, especially those who would target innocent citizens and the law enforcement officers who protect the citizens of the United States.”

    A law enforcement official said that the alleged plot was unconnected to recent threats against Democratic members of Congress who voted for legislation overhauling the nation’s health care system.

    A Web site for the Hutaree group talks about a coming battle against the putative forces of the Antichrist but does not appear to focus explicitly on recent political events.

    The Web site, which describes the group as “preparing for the end times,” featured video clips of people running through woods in camouflage gear and firing assault rifles, along with links to gun stores and far-right media. It also features an elaborate system of military ranks for its members. The site says it coined the term Hutaree, intended to mean Christian warrior.

    “Jesus wanted us to be ready to defend ourselves using the sword and stay alive using equipment,” the Web site says, adding, “The Hutaree will one day see its enemy and meet him on the battlefield if so God wills it.”

    The indictment charged that from August 2008 to the present, the defendants — led by David Brian Stone, 45, who also used the name “Captain Hutaree” — developed a conspiracy that they hoped would result in a war against the United States government. They allegedly decided they would kill a local law enforcement officer, and then bomb the funeral caravan. The killings “would intimidate and demoralize law enforcement diminishing their ranks and rendering them ineffective,” it said.

    Afterward, the indictment said, Hutaree members would retreat to several “rally points” and wage war against the government, using prepared fighting positions as well as “trip-wired and command-detonated” bombs.

    “It is believed by the Hutaree that this engagement would then serve as a catalyst for a more widespread uprising against the government,” the indictment said.

    Mr. Stone used the Internet to obtain diagrams of “explosively formed projectiles,” a particularly lethal form of roadside bombs responsible for many deaths of United States soldiers in Iraq, the indictment said.

    It says that he e-mailed diagrams of such devices to a person he believed to be capable of manufacturing them, and then directed one of his sons to obtain the materials to make them. It also says he and his other son taught other Hutaree members how to make bombs in June 2009.

    Barbara McQuade, the United States attorney for the Eastern District of Michigan, said the government moved to arrest the members of the group this past weekend to short-circuit some operation it had planned to do next month, and which she did not explain in detail.

    “Because the Hutaree had planned a covert reconnaissance operation for April which had the potential of placing an unsuspecting member of the public at risk, the safety of the public and of the law enforcement community demanded intervention at this time.”

    All nine people face the charges of seditious conspiracy, attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction and carrying a firearm during a crime of violence. In addition, Mr. Stone and one of his sons, David Brian Stone Jr., has been charged with teaching the use of explosive materials.

    The other seven people named in the indictment were Mr. Stone’s wife, Tina Stone, 44; his other son, Joshua Matthew Stone, 21, of Clayton, Michigan; Joshua Clough, 28, of Blissfield, Michigan; Michael Meeks, 40, of Manchester, Michigan; Thomas Piatek, 46, of Whiting, Indiana, Kristopher Sickles, 27, of Sandusky, Ohio; and Jacob Ward, 33, of Huron, Ohio.


    Nine members of a Michigan-based Christian militia group have been indicted on sedition and weapons charges in connection with an alleged plot to murder law enforcement officers in hopes of setting off an antigovernment uprising.

    In court filings unsealed Monday, the Justice Department accused the nine people of planning to kill an unidentified law enforcement officer, then plant improvised explosive devices of a type used by insurgents in Iraq to attack the funeral procession.
    Oh boy... Just goes to show you not all the violent madmen are 9000 miles away across the ocean. They sound like the violent wing of the Teabaggers.
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    This is very worrying, the New World Order has finally started cracking down on our brothers and sisters...

    But seriously, there are many of these groups in the US AFAIK, some more and some less violent, let's hope this won't repeat too often in the future.


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    Idiots who deserve there many years behind bars and then some.
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    Morons with a cause... I was laughing out loud while reading the article until I remembered that these, ah, poor misguided individuals were trying to do really nasty stuff. I read the Gospels once and I missed the part where Jesus and his squad preached about IEDs, murder and revolution. I guess when the Anti-Christ comes, these folks aren't expecting to make it on the bus to heaven, so they'll have to stay behind and fight. And I think they stole their game plan from the playbook of Charlie Manson, except they only have two aging Beatles around to work with.
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    If you are gonna take on "the man," you had better be able to bring it a little better than this. Hopefully, if they're incarcerated long enough, they won't pass on any more of their genetics to the next generation. Sheesh.
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    This seems like a pretty clear case of sedition. Obviously I hope that this doesn't become an excuse to crack down on gun rights, but because this was such an obvious and distinct threat, I doubt that it will be.
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    god idiots.

    and they didnt even go out in glorious battle as jesus so obviously told us all. /sarcasm

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Wizard View Post
    9 Tied to Fundamentalist Christian Militia Charged in Plot Murder Officers

    [SPOIL]WASHINGTON — Nine members of a Michigan-based Christian militia group have been indicted on sedition and weapons charges in connection with an alleged plot to murder law enforcement officers in hopes of setting off an antigovernment uprising.
    Who in the world could possibly be responsible for such a barbaric act?





    It is time for the 'moderates' of this violent ideology, this breeding ground for extremism, to speak out. These people are told daily that their government is going to enslave their children and turn America in a Marxist dictatorship. If that were true, it would be the patriotic duty of an American citizen to rise to arms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    Who in the world could possibly be responsible for such a barbaric act?
    Nicely done :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    Who in the world could possibly be responsible for such a barbaric act?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    * hops aboard a plane headed for Paris, Texas *
    There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford

    My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff View Post
    This seems like a pretty clear case of sedition. Obviously I hope that this doesn't become an excuse to crack down on gun rights, but because this was such an obvious and distinct threat, I doubt that it will be.
    This worries me as well. All the leftists who run our government need is a pretext. IMO, they represent a far more prescient threat to our republic than fringe groups such as this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Louis
    Who in the world could possibly be responsible for such a barbaric act?
    That would have been clever if: a) a barbaric act had actually been committed and b) the people weren't readily identified in the quote. Nice effort, though.

    In any event, I'll wait and see how strong the federal case is against these guys before passing judgment. This is all very convenient.
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    To be fair, it are only a few billion gun-nuts who ruin it for Panzerjagaer ;)

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    Oh Panzer, you're amusing in a disturbing sort of way...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger View Post
    This worries me as well. All the leftists who run our government need is a pretext. IMO, they represent a far more prescient threat to our republic than fringe groups such as this.
    Heh, you had me going there for a second

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    To be fair, it are only a few billion gun-nuts who ruin it for Panzerjagaer ;)

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    Well, it's now quite clear that religion is what's causing terrorism. I propose a bill that will restrict believers' freedom of speech in the Org. These people are going to try to destroy us and our way of life!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meneldil View Post
    Well, it's now quite clear that religion is what's causing terrorism. I propose a bill that will restrict believers' freedom of speech in the Org. These people are going to try to destroy us and our way of life!
    The sad thing is that if these were Islamic terrorists you'd have parties with serious electoral clout clamoring for this all over the West

    Quote Originally Posted by PJ
    That would have been clever if: a) a barbaric act had actually been committed and b) the people weren't readily identified in the quote. Nice effort, though.
    I'd like to point out that planning terrorism is just as illegal under the Patriot Act as actually carrying it out is, buddy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Wizard View Post
    I'd like to point out that planning terrorism is just as illegal under the Patriot Act as actually carrying it out is, buddy.
    Planning to commit a crime is called conspiracy, and has jack-all to do with the Patriot Act. Conspiracy is a crime. Period.

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    Case in point, nor does it change a thing. Though I do seem to recall the fact that "planning terrorism" (as a special kind of crime) specifically is also a crime in the U.S., though I may be mixing America up with a country like the UK or the Netherlands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Wizard View Post
    Case in point, nor does it change a thing. Though I do seem to recall the fact that "planning terrorism" (as a special kind of crime) specifically is also a crime in the U.S., though I may be mixing America up with a country like the UK or the Netherlands.
    Always was a conspiracy-class crime vis-a-vis some of the criminal acts themselves. Patriot Act created only a few new crimes but DID extend the penalties for many existing ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur View Post
    Planning to commit a crime is called conspiracy, and has jack-all to do with the Patriot Act. Conspiracy is a crime. Period.
    Wait, does that mean if you plan to plan for a crime, you are committing a crime? And what about if you plan for the plan that you're using to plan your crime?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subotan View Post
    Wait, does that mean if you plan to plan for a crime, you are committing a crime? And what about if you plan for the plan that you're using to plan your crime?
    Then plan on going to jail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subotan View Post
    Wait, does that mean if you plan to plan for a crime, you are committing a crime?
    Yes, althoug planning to commit, say, murder, carries a lower penalty than actually committing murder. Conspiracy is generally a separate and less punitive category than the crime itself.

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    Hmm. Clearly these people are a few pages short of a KJV Bible.

    On the one hand I think; do we still hand people for treason?

    On the other I'm skeptical of the plans alleged. I'll be more convinced once I see actual proof I guess.

    One note; seditious conspiracy seems like a good charge, but attempted use of weapons of mass destruction? Possessing a firearm during a crime of violence?

    So far as I know, they hadn't yet attempted any bombings, and I wouldn't call conspiracy a crime of violence. Typical piling on of charges I suppose.

    Finally, if I were to start some weird militia group, I'd call it the Fluffy Bunny Family Social Club and Junior Bowling League. The website would have little kids holding rabbits and other such fluff, to make it to absurd for the government to arrest us.

    "Today the government announced the arrest of members of the Fluffy Bunny Family Social Club and Junior Bowling League for conspiring to topple the government. A reporter's visit to their website showed children holding rabbits and bowling shoe waxing information."

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    On a side-story: That Stone fella apparently drummed up support and followership across the country. HERE's a forum post made by a disgruntled former Hutaree from Texas, on a Militia-friendly Board, from Oct, 2008.
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