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    Yes, videos can involve more than one person as representing the spy/assassin. In fact, that is a major goal of these videos. However, there will always be the character who represents the actual campaign map unit who is the one who's death matters in the video. For example, a Roman 'assassin' might just be an officer or soldier or representative who pays an opponent's trusted comrades to betray them. But it is the Roman character who must die if the mission ends with that result, regardless of whether or not the other conspirators die.



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    Damn, Tanit! You must have caught a dismal cold filming with those clothes!

    One question about these movies. I suppose there aren't going to be any dialogues, correct? Even if the actors are speaking to each other, all audio will be covered by an approppriate soundtrack correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolt View Post
    Damn, Tanit! You must have caught a dismal cold filming with those clothes!

    One question about these movies. I suppose there aren't going to be any dialogues, correct? Even if the actors are speaking to each other, all audio will be covered by an approppriate soundtrack correct?
    Yes that is what i'm wondering, will there be speech or just music?
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    This is partially dependant upon the seeting of any individual video. However, for the most part sound will be limited to ambient noise (wind, birds, etc) and inarticulate sounds such as sounds of exertion, pain or surprise. Any actual dialog will likely be done if Greek if there is any.

    Damn, Tanit! You must have caught a dismal cold filming with those clothes!
    Yeah it was pretty cold! Luckily I have fairly good resistance to cold.



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    I know this may seem riske, but I'm going by ancillary logic (I noticed that some assassins in the RTW version use courtesans):

    Scene 1: the assassin disguises himself as a slave merchant/dignitary, and with him are a bunch of women.
    Scene 2: he arrives at wherever our target is, to be inspected and introduced.

    success:

    Scene 1: they assassin is dining with the women in the presense of the target (its a drinking part, like Macedonians have). one of the women gets the attentions of the target, and he asks her over to bed.
    Scene 2: the "courtesan* pretends to seduce the target, when the courtesan sneakily pulls out a dagger she has, and quickly executes the target.
    Scene 3: since everyone is disrtacted/drunk, the assassin and his "courtesan" slip away in the dead of night.

    Failure (escapes):
    scene 1: the people who inspect him rifles through his stuff a but too well, and find instructions for the assasination.
    scene 2: they confront him, but as they do, he runs away. he quickly finds a place of hiding or escape. meanwhile, his "slaves/courtesans" ge confiscated.

    Failure (killed).
    same as Failure 1, only they kill the assassin before he can get away, and they confiscate his "slaves".


    as to sources? hey, you guys put the courtesan ancillary in EB1, so I'm assuming its historical
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibrahim View Post
    Failure (killed).
    same as success, only they kill the assassin before he can get away, and they confiscate his "slaves".:
    Correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't the target survive the assassination attempt?


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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbin View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't the target survive the assassination attempt?
    they kill the assassin before he can use his courtesan, and thus, the target survives?
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    Default Re: The Europa Barbarorum Film Project

    Quote Originally Posted by Tanit View Post
    Yes, videos can involve more than one person as representing the spy/assassin. In fact, that is a major goal of these videos. However, there will always be the character who represents the actual campaign map unit who is the one who's death matters in the video. For example, a Roman 'assassin' might just be an officer or soldier or representative who pays an opponent's trusted comrades to betray them. But it is the Roman character who must die if the mission ends with that result, regardless of whether or not the other conspirators die.
    Assassin videos seem most suitable to do but my doubt about them is that historically killings were usually a result of internal power struggle (son conspiring to kill his family to take a throne, praetorian guard commander killing his emperor etc). But in the game assassins are designed for missions deep in enemy's territory against other faction's character, and this appears to me ahistorical. I remember that Romans did it very occasionally (and yet they were using traitors like in Spain, not their own assassin) but who else?. I remain unconvinced but going to see what you can do.

    EDIT: decided to help with another script. It is quite funny exercise.

    Assassin script: Dressed up (fake) officer.
    This is quite universal scenario for different cultures, and many variants are possible.

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    I don't know if this was included in M2TW vanilla game as I could never had an occasion to check it.


    Attempt.
    Camera is showing an officer saluting to the general and then leaving his room. The general is turning back and coming to the table to continue study maps or manouvers.
    The leaving officer is passing the guards standing outside by the room entry and they salute him.
    A few seconds later another officer in full panoply and helmet is approaching to the entry. The guards salute and let him pass untroubled. However he is the assassin, and camera is zooming on his sword's blade visible behind the cloak when he's entering the room.

    Success.
    The general doesn't see the assassin approaching from behind because he is so busy studying his drawings. Just before the strike the general accidentaly moves, though, nevertheless the assassin has no problem to catch him firmly and deliver a deadly stab in his back, shuting screaming mouth by hand. The general falls dead. The assassin leaves untroubled.

    Fail.
    The general doesn't see the assassin approaching from behind because he is so busy studying his drawings. Just before the strike the general accidentaly moves, though, and the assassin fails to deliver a killing move, he misses. The wrestling fight begins and the general screams for help. The first officer and then guards appear and rush to help. However the assassin quickly frees himself from general, then swiftly deals with the upcoming officer and guards and escapes for safety.
    Alternatively:
    The first officer who's just left reacts like if he forgot something and decides to come back to the general, or: -the guards rise their doubts about identity of the second officer and they decide to follow him inside.
    The assassin is catched before he can reach the unsuspecting general. He just manages to free himself but must escape and abort the mission.

    Death.
    The general doesn't see the assassin approaching from behind because he is so busy studying his drawings. Just before the strike the general accidentaly moves, though, and the assassin fails to deliver a killing move, he misses. The wrestling fight begins and the general screams for help.
    After short fight the assassin is killed - either by general, the returning officer or by the guards.
    Alternatively: the assassin is catched and killed by returing officer or by suspicious guards before he reaches surprised general.
    Last edited by darius_d; 03-31-2010 at 14:09. Reason: added new script

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