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[Tellos Athenaios]

I already noticed that some programs from gnome do not work at all or not as well with KDE, Rythmbox for example seems to have to be replaced by Amarok, but then that also crashed when I quit it without stopping the music first and there was no way for me to remove the icon from the system bar except to restart. And on the topic of restarting, how is that done in KDE without pressing the power button or is that just the default way to go about it? I noticed deep sleep turns the computer completely off but apparently saves the session on your HDD and then restores it, I haven't found a power off/shut down option in the exit menu?? Or am I perhaps supposed to log out and then shut down from the ubuntu login menu?

The KDE menu (K icon) has a category called `Leave'. It offers Lock, Logout, Sleep, Hibernate, Shutdown, Restart. Any of those can be accessed trough krunner (Alt+F2) too: type reboot and it will find you the Restart option. I take it you didn't restore the menu to your new panel?

It is actually possible to use Rhythmbox in KDE. It's just that KDE offers its own media players which integrate (much) better with KDE as whole. For instance there is a little plugin to control Amarok using krunner (Alt+F2). As a result nobody is going to bother to set up a KDE installation so as to use Rhythmbox by default, hence it isn't installed by default: if you really want Rhythmbox you need to install that manually after installing KDE. The reverse holds true on Gnome as well.

[Husar]

The KDE menu (K icon) has a category called `Leave'. It offers Lock, Logout, Sleep, Hibernate, Shutdown, Restart. Any of those can be accessed trough krunner (Alt+F2) too: type reboot and it will find you the Restart option. I take it you didn't restore the menu to your new panel?

That's the thing, for me the menu only offers Logout, Lock, Change User, Sleep, Hibernate, and that's it, nothing else in there. And I didn't restore anything.
edit: Get the button/option if I use krunner and type the german word for shut down ("herunterfahren"), but it's still not in the menu.

It is actually possible to use Rhythmbox in KDE. It's just that KDE offers its own media players which integrate (much) better with KDE as whole. For instance there is a little plugin to control Amarok using krunner (Alt+F2). As a result nobody is going to bother to set up a KDE installation so as to use Rhythmbox by default, hence it isn't installed by default: if you really want Rhythmbox you need to install that manually after installing KDE. The reverse holds true on Gnome as well.

Yes, I was aware of that(except for the plugin part), just wanted to know whether there could be any other problems, for example if I use Rythmbox to buy music from the Ubuntu music store (don't want to use iTunes anymore for that and that Ubuntu music store looks nice).

[Tellos Athenaios]

No the example you give should not pose any additional problems with KDE; just make sure that the packages rhythmbox (Rhythmbox application) and rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store (plugin to buy music from the Ubuntu music store) are both installed.

[Husar]

Thanks, I was a bit unsure since the whole Ubuntu One thing is used for the music store and seems only really integrated with Gnome, but you can access it via browser so I guess it's not a big problem.
The shut down thing still got me to a logout button that just logged me out and sent me to the user selection menu though. This is the weirdest thing together with the fact KDE always starts Kopete when it loads as if it were always restoring the last session, which I don't really want either. Kopete isn't in Autostart either.

[Tellos Athenaios]

It probably *is* restoring last sessions by default. To turn that off: go to System Settings -> Advanced tab -> Session Manager.

[Husar]

It probably *is* restoring last sessions by default. To turn that off: go to System Settings -> Advanced tab -> Session Manager.

Yeah, already found that but no solution for the shutdown problem, there are some settings to enable shutdown options, turn the power button into a shutdown button etc. etc. but none of it works, either nothing happens or I just get to log out and land at the login screen again.
No problem if you don't have a solution, it's just really weird.

[Tellos Athenaios]

I've just Googled it and there seems to be a pattern: http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.....php?p=4197245 The fix seems to be to install KDM, and possibly purge GDM. Can be done with Software Center, I imagine; but if not then the good old aptitude will work:

# install KDM
sudo aptitude install -y kdm
# optionally uninstall and purge system configuration of GDM
sudo aptitude purge -y gdm
# optionally add GDM compatibility in case it messes up your GNOME
sudo aptitude install -y kdm-gdmcompat

As another way of shutting down; have you tried to right click on the desktop/walpaper, selecte Leave from the context menu? That should popup a dialog with 3 options: Logout, Restart and Shutdown.
At least, for me it does; but then again, for me the Leave menu in the Application Launcher (KDE Menu) also contains those options (whereas yours apparently does not).