EB1 units?

[BigJohn]

In EB2, will EB1 units be tampered with just a little bit , or will they change significantly? Specifically Gauls and Germans (And even more specifically, the Gaesatae)

[Huene]

everything is being remade from scratch.

[Megas Methuselah]

everything is being remade from scratch.

?? Huh? They're still basing the mod on the research they used for EB1. That means you will see many of the same units in EB2, such as Classical Hoplites, Thureophorioi, various phalangites, Dacian Light Phalanxes, etc.

[Iron Fist]

I think he meant that units are remodeled from scratch, but yeah, most of the units that are going to be in EB2 were in EB1 too.

[ARCHIPPOS]

can you guys please consider salvaging some of the EB1 models ??? I have a soft spot for some of them...and it will save you some time anyway , no ???

[Moros]

Many EBII units represent the same men as the EBI units. But that doesn't mean their equipment hasn't changed. EBII units wll generally speaking have less armour for example.

[Foot]

can you guys please consider salvaging some of the EB1 models ??? I have a soft spot for some of them...and it will save you some time anyway , no ???

Not possible to do. All models are being redone. The RTW models are much lower quality and different scale and proportion.

Foot

[Krusader]

Many EBII units represent the same men as the EBI units. But that doesn't mean their equipment hasn't changed. EBII units wll generally speaking have less armour for example.

To follow up on Moros, some units will be a bit different too, as we were restrained by a 250 model limit in EB1 and unlimited in EB2. In EB1 we had to use 3 or sometimes 4 units on the same model, which limited what equipment could be used.

[athanaric]

Many EBII units represent the same men as the EBI units. But that doesn't mean their equipment hasn't changed.

As in: Georgian infantry with axes?

EBII units will generally speaking have less armour for example.

Does that apply for all factions or mainly the Hellenistic/Semitic/Eastern ones? I mean, the Barbarians in EB I are already pretty low on armour.

[Moros]

In general yes. EB I always represented the most armoured guy from the unit.

Note that some factions did get a bigger overhaul and changes in units than others. The British units look rather different too me. The arabians are changed rather too, no more pants or tunics for them.

[Bucefalo]

Obviousy what he meant is that the Gaesatae modesty patch will only consist in a single leaf, making the mod maturity rate rise up to a frightening 18 +

On a more serious note, i think when he said overall he just meant that. From the celts/dacians we have seen there is a notable lack of armour, but i think it is actually much more realistic that way. I would expect hellenic factions to have more armour but nothing close to the level of the original EB.

[athanaric]

In general yes. EB I always represented the most armoured guy from the unit.

But in some cases, units in EB I (like Dugundiz or Toxotai) look unarmoured while having an armour rating of 2.

The arabians are changed rather too, no more pants or tunics for them.

Hehe, Ibrahim will be thrilled...

[Ibrahim]

Hehe, Ibrahim will be thrilled...

that was an understatement.

[Moros]

Yes they wear shirts.

[gamegeek2]

that was an understatement.

Get back to work! (I have EB2 so I have an excuse :D)

[Moros]

Get back to work!

Get back to work!

[Mediolanicus]

But in some cases, units in EB I (like Dugundiz or Toxotai) look unarmoured while having an armour rating of 2.

The armour rating gives protection against missiles.
Unarmoured units can evade missiles more easily than armoured units, thus they get a low armour rating instead of no armour rating.

[athanaric]

The armour rating gives protection against missiles.
Unarmoured units can evade missiles more easily than armoured units, thus they get a low armour rating instead of no armour rating.

Yet Nubian spearmen have an armour rating of zero, despite being described as reasonably good fighters.

[Moros]

Yet Nubian spearmen have an armour rating of zero, despite being described as reasonably good fighters.

They don't wear shirts.

[Mediolanicus]

Yet Nubian spearmen have an armour rating of zero, despite being described as reasonably good fighters.

They don't wear shirts.

Perfectly reasonable explanation

[B-Wing]

The armour rating gives protection against missiles.
Unarmoured units can evade missiles more easily than armoured units, thus they get a low armour rating instead of no armour rating.

Hm, interesting. Perhaps it would make more sense to give "agile" units a shield bonus rather than armor? That way there's a directional aspect to the improved defense, which seems more logical to me.

They don't wear shirts.

LOL

[athanaric]

They don't wear shirts.

Wow. Germanic and Greek shirts certainly were tough. Must've been all the dirt...

[Mediolanicus]

Hm, interesting. Perhaps it would make more sense to give "agile" units a shield bonus rather than armor? That way there's a directional aspect to the improved defense, which seems more logical to me.

So you can only evade missiles and blows that come from your front and left side?

[Famine0]

Many EBII units represent the same men as the EBI units. But that doesn't mean their equipment hasn't changed. EBII units wll generally speaking have less armour for example.

On the subject of EBII units: without every soldier having the same skin anymore, how will we see a difference between common units used by different factions (thureophoroi, greek classical hoplites, phalangitai,...)? For example Epeirote Sphendonetai were green, Makedonian slingers were pure white with a reddish brown shield, AS slingers had a red hairband and a greyish shield, etc etc

[Megas Methuselah]

On the subject of EBII units: without every soldier having the same skin anymore, how will we see a difference between common units used by different factions (thureophoroi, greek classical hoplites, phalangitai,...)? For example Epeirote Sphendonetai were green, Makedonian slingers were pure white with a reddish brown shield, AS slingers had a red hairband and a greyish shield, etc etc

Armies back then were rarely uniformed. Aside from occasional emblems on shields, cultural differences (armour styles, dress styles, etc.), and ethnic differences (skin/hair colour), it will be rather difficult to distinguish friend from foe.

[Foot]

it will be rather difficult to distinguish friend from foe.

And that is how we like it! Makes commanding an army that much more difficult, which is certainly required given that we will still be dealing with a largely under-developed Ai.

Foot

[B-Wing]

So you can only evade missiles and blows that come from your front and left side?

Well it's certainly not impossible, but I think its fairly safe to say that you can dodge incoming missle more effectively when you can see them coming. Unless unarmored units possess spider-sense.

[Horatius Flaccus]

On the subject of EBII units: without every soldier having the same skin anymore, how will we see a difference between common units used by different factions (thureophoroi, greek classical hoplites, phalangitai,...)? For example Epeirote Sphendonetai were green, Makedonian slingers were pure white with a reddish brown shield, AS slingers had a red hairband and a greyish shield, etc etc

If you look at this preview, you will see that those units will differ from eachother. Though not much.

[Power2the1]

Obviousy what he meant is that the Gaesatae modesty patch will only consist in a single leaf, making the mod maturity rate rise up to a frightening 18 +

On a more serious note, i think when he said overall he just meant that. From the celts/dacians we have seen there is a notable lack of armour, but i think it is actually much more realistic that way. I would expect hellenic factions to have more armour but nothing close to the level of the original EB.

Quite true, it is historical that way. I do not know if this is possible, but I would love to see a penalty on player using hordes of chainmail wearing Celts. Absolutely a-historical. Look here for the overall reason why, starting with post #96: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...ow-Gaul-morale

[Ibrahim]

Get back to work! (I have EB2 so I have an excuse :D)

well, I am working. prolem is, I'm working at all the speed of continental drift.

(srsly, everytime I think i have time for more models, I get sidetracked by events in RL. I only finished 2 models, and have to rework a third, since you want a spear and bow instead of a lance and sword)

I'll get the remade arabian noble out on thursday-I hope.