The Revenge of Inishmore! [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

No, it does not roleblock until after I obtain it, I don't know how to explain it. No, I am still not revealing ANY mason, and if it means I die for it, so be it.

Also, please, please, credit me with some insight and intelligence.

Well, it's night phase anyway.

All I am saying is that you should keep the cat this round, to prove your case or to prevent another hit due to WIFOM. If someone wants to implicate you then they have to not kill. True, no?

Even if I'm wrong that the cat blocked you, it does give pro-town roles another round of breathing room.

As for your guilt or innocence, I figure you have to have been scanned by now... so I guess I can wait.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

No, it does not roleblock until after I obtain it, I don't know how to explain it. No, I am still not revealing ANY mason, and if it means I die for it, so be it.

I don't care if you never reveal your "mason partner". I care if your mason partner never reveals to save you. If there's no reveal from them, then they probably don't exist.

[ULC]

Well, it's night phase anyway.

All I am saying is that you should keep the cat this round, to prove your case or to prevent another hit due to WIFOM. If someone wants to implicate you then they have to not kill. True, no?

Even if I'm wrong that the cat blocked you, it does give pro-town roles another round of breathing room.

As for your guilt or innocence, I figure you have to have been scanned by now... so I guess I can wait.

Regardless of whether or not I want to, the cats ability affects me this night, not that it makes much difference, so I can, tonight, give it to whomever I wish without repercussion.

[Renata]

Can TinCow confirm the delayed effect?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Regardless of whether or not I want to, the cats ability affects me this night, not that it makes much difference, so I can, tonight, give it to whomever I wish without repercussion.

So, what's your special ability?

[TinCow]

Can TinCow confirm the delayed effect?

I re-read the cat role PM and I'm not entirely sure. All I know is that I got the cat at the end of the day phase and gave it away at night. I assumed that it was a role-block at night, but on re-read I can't tell for sure because the role PM doesn't really specify. Here's the cat role PM:

Congratulations! You've been given the task as the carer for Wee Sean, Wee Thomas' kitten. Your objective is to give the cat away. If you take too long, Wee Sean will move on of his own accord. Once Wee Sean is no longer with you, you return to being whatever you were beforehand, be it normal townie or pro-town role etc. At any point, you may PM me and tell me who you give Wee Sean to.

Based on that, it would appear correct that YLC cannot do anything except give away the cat tonight, though I'm now not quite as confident that it actually blocked him last night.

[ULC]

So, what's your special ability?

I said I had a special ability? No, I said the cat specifically blocks any special ability you may have by replacing your role.

[Renata]

TinCow, you presumably would know the details if you yourself had a role to block (or over-write), right? I would not expect you to lie to protect that information unless you were very sure of the implications as they would impact YLC, and you don't seem to be.

In any case, being used to CFC and a whole lot of items in my "mafia" games, I would call it not at all unlikely that items' effects are only forward-looking: if something arrives by PM at the morning of day 5, it starts its effect then, regardless of having been "sent" the evening of day 4.

[Methos]

So is the cat something that YLC can get rid of, or does he have it for the rest of the game? As in permanent role-block?

[Renata]

It's a few posts up, Mr Chaotix voter. He can give it away (or it gives itself away, eventually, presumably to prevent it dead-ending in some lurker's inbox).

[TinCow]

TinCow, you presumably would know the details if you yourself had a role to block (or over-write), right? I would not expect you to lie to protect that information unless you were very sure of the implications as they would impact YLC, and you don't seem to be.

It's impossible for me to tell you whether the cat role-blocks on the night it is sent for two reasons: (1) I got it during the day, not the night and (2) I had no actions to be blocked when I received it. I assumed it worked on the night it was sent, but when I re-read the role it doesn't actually say that.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Regardless of whether or not I want to, the cats ability affects me this night, not that it makes much difference, so I can, tonight, give it to whomever I wish without repercussion.

I may have assumed this meant it was affecting you, as in preventing your action. Leap to conclusions perhaps.

[Methos]

It's a few posts up, Mr Chaotix voter. He can give it away (or it gives itself away, eventually, presumably to prevent it dead-ending in some lurker's inbox).

Yeah, I noticed it after I posted. This game is starting to move like the Star Wars game was earlier.

[atheotes]

So is the cat something that YLC can get rid of, or does he have it for the rest of the game? As in permanent role-block?

Looks like he can hand it over to some one and that person has it thereafter till it is returned or it moves on his own accord. With some co-ordination this could be used very effectively as suggested.

[atheotes]

Yeah, I noticed it after I posted. This game is starting to move like the Star Wars game was earlier.

true that... atleast for my "post composition" pace

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Something doesn't add up here. I'm feeling like it was TinCow who got roleblocked by the cat and missed the kill.

[ULC]

I may have assumed this meant it was affecting you, as in preventing your action. Leap to conclusions perhaps.

It affects me regardless. As of now, I'm not truly a mason, I'm the "caretaker of wee sean". It would affect a townie in the same way.

Also, not to be to cruel to you TC, and I know your a brilliant person and all, but claiming wee Thomas role-overwrites/roleblocks, and then have a missing killer in the write up, it does look suspicious to me.

AGAIN, that's not a call to bandwagon, I just want to hear more from TC...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Strangely, I agree with YLC

It doesn't make any sense that TinCow could receive the cat and then just pass it on, roleblocking someone that same night. It's more likely he himself was roleblocked, and tried to frame someone.

[TinCow]

It affects me regardless. As of now, I'm not truly a mason, I'm the "caretaker of wee sean". It would affect a townie in the same way.

Also, not to be to cruel to you TC, and I know your a brillaitn person and all, but claiming wee Thomas role-overwrites/roleblocks, and then have a missing killer in the write up, it does look suspicious to me.

AGAIN, that's not a call to bandwagon, I just want to hear more from TC...

You should have a copy of it yourself now, so you can confirm that what I just posted was the real thing.

[TinCow]

It doesn't make any sense that TinCow could receive the cat and then just pass it on, roleblocking someone that same night. It's more likely he himself was roleblocked, and tried to frame someone.

Yes, I do unfortunately seem to have implicated myself by going after YLC. In my defense, there is someone out there who can confirm that I was given the cat during the day phase, not last night. If I was a mafioso, my partner would have known about the cat before it was even time to submit orders.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's worth asking who gave TinCow the cat. Might shed some light on the issue.

[ULC]

Yes, I know you posted the real thing, and yes I accept the possibility you were framed as well, which is why I am not keen on anyone even voting for you. I'm just suspicious right now, it feels like an elaborate setup - so if anyone else can confirm they had the cat, do so now.

And yes, someone had it before TC, so say who it is now.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Yes, I do unfortunately seem to have implicated myself by going after YLC. In my defense, there is someone out there who can confirm that I was given the cat during the day phase, not last night. If I was a mafioso, my partner would have known about the cat before it was even time to submit orders.

After yesterday's vote I was given a cat by someone.

[Renata]

Something doesn't add up here. I'm feeling like it was TinCow who got roleblocked by the cat and missed the kill.

That's what I was kind of fishing at with my last post. If YLC's description of the cat is accurate (and as I said I see no reason it would not be), then it can be passed every phase, and affects the recipient the turn immediately following receipt. For TinCow, that would be last night. I wanted to see if he would claim vanilla, or at least a lack of night ability. What he did say is a little ambiguous.

[TinCow]

I was given the cat right after the end of the day phase, like a night result PM but from the day instead.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I was given the cat right after the end of the day phase, like a night result PM but from the day instead.

So you were given the cat at night then...sorry that was confusing me, because you said it had been given to you during the day.

From the PM posted it seems like it can be passed on whenever, and you are only roleblocked while you have it. So, since YLC admits to ending up with it, then obviously he was the one who was roleblocked.

Ergo, come day phase his mason partner should claim or he should be lynched.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Interesting.

Much is being made of the cat, but the cat is inconsistently discussed -- none of the versions gibe.



TinCow: Let's have your version again please.

YLC: Let's have your version. Sasaki had me convinced, albeit a little late, that you should have had my vote. Let us see....

Sasaki: Why do you have old cat hairs about your person? Know more about purry furry Sean than you're saying?

Who was the fellow with scratches at the pub? Cats leave scratches sometimes.



GH: You do have a penchant for being on the receiving end of a busted kill effort, don't you? I recall you spending a whole big chunk of one Capo that way...



Chaotix:

How could you?!? A role like that and you go that over the top after the first night phase.... You got the chop for nothing.

[TinCow]

So you were given the cat at night then...sorry that was confusing me, because you said it had been given to you during the day.

No, I still think it's proper to say I was given it during the day. As I understand it, the previous owner submitted the orders to give it to me during the day phase while we were voting. While the PM I got making me the cat guy was technically in the night phase because it was sent after the write-up was posted, calling it a night action would be like saying that a person is killed by a day action because it's only revealed after the day starts. The cat can apparently be passed on in any phase, day or night, and the target receives it after that phase's write-up.

[Renata]

Exactly. Which would mean that you had it last night. You sent orders to pass it on at that time, but YLC did not receive it until not-morning.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

No, I still think it's proper to say I was given it during the day. As I understand it, the previous owner submitted the orders to give it to me during the day phase while we were voting. While the PM I got making me the cat guy was technically in the night phase because it was sent after the write-up was posted, calling it a night action would be like saying that a person is killed by a day action because it's only revealed after the day starts. The cat can apparently be passed on in any phase, day or night, and the target receives it after that phase's write-up.

We can test that with YLC...but then what was that talk of it being a hot potato? I think I had a game where the actions were taken as soon as I (the mod) read the pm.

Doesn't the fact that YLC says he received it mean that it doesn't take till the end of the phase?