The Revenge of Inishmore! [Concluded]

[Reenk Roink]

Vote: Crazed Rabbit

[naut]

Essentially TM revealed that we should lynch a certain player in the game unfortuntly he was not suppossed to do that so a few of us know someone who it seems by all accounts should be lynched post haste but in the interest of sportsman ship I shall wait for him to turn up before saying or doing anything more.

That is unfortunate. I'm glad I didn't see the original content then.

[Askthepizzaguy]

:shrugs: These games just arent gripping me like the others, theyre too hectic after afew days of having to trawl through pages and pages of stuff I missed because I was asleep or at college its starting to feel like a chore. Doesnt help that in this game I didnt even know it had started till afew days after so I had an extra set of pages to sift through.

That's fine, but that actually makes things worse. Can I count on you to settle in and pay attention in the endgame or not? Or do I have to vote for you because you're potential scum, or being left alive because you won't be a threat to the mafia in the end?

Basically what I'm saying is, if you're lurking scum, stop it or you're dead. If you're a townie, I need you to focus or just drop out. I'll give you a round to convince me you're a changed man.

unvote, vote: Zack

[Greyblades]

Well I was forced into gear in the star wars game and I've found my fluroxetine so hopefuly my mood should improve as well as my attendance.

[Methos]

Even after Secura's cry for....whatever that's called, I don't trust her one bit. She knew about me and not too long after she was .... "felt up" by the priest, all of a sudden several of us get taken out. One of them being Renata, the resurrector. I look forward to seeing this game end, as this game will definitely form lasting thoughts on my trust in Secura's words.

[Secura]

Even after Secura's cry for....whatever that's called, I don't trust her one bit. She knew about me and not too long after she was .... "felt up" by the priest, all of a sudden several of us get taken out. One of them being Renata, the resurrector. I look forward to seeing this game end, as this game will definitely form lasting thoughts on my trust in Secura's words.

I welcome it, Methos.

Does that mean you'll apologise for character defamation also, when the truth comes out?

[Secura]

I'd also like to point out that it seems both you and YLC have forgotten someone who was invited early to your group and ceased posting in the QuickTopic after a while; if you're adamant on the possibility of a leak, then look no futher than Niklas.

Go look at the QuickTopic Methos, or I can simply post the relevant information here: Niklas' last post was #72 at 01:57 PM ET on the 21st of April. He only posted a total of three times, deleting one post and offering very little in the others beyond "this person could be a good recruit" and "don't recruit anyone resurrected". Since then, Renata, TinCow and YLC have all died.

I'll stack my chips with that, to be honest... I'd like to propose that whomsoever is in possession of the kitty currently passes it onto Niklas this evening. The results of that will be indicative of his guilt or innocence. Much better than the lynch for the moment.

[Niklas]

I have no objections to receiving said cat. I like cats.

[Crazed Rabbit]

I have no idea what's going on so I'm voting for the first person in the alive list to avoid getting WoG'd;
vote: A very Super Market

CR

[Winston Hughes]

vote: Beefy

If I had a reason, I'd tell you.

And, yes, I am voting purely to avoid being wogged. Although I grow more baffled with each passing day, I figure that a baffled and random-voting townie is better than a wogged townie. If you disagree, then say so, and I might just oblige by shutting up altogether.

[Beefy187]

vote: Beefy

If I had a reason, I'd tell you.

And, yes, I am voting purely to avoid being wogged. Although I grow more baffled with each passing day, I figure that a baffled and random-voting townie is better than a wogged townie. If you disagree, then say so, and I might just oblige by shutting up altogether.

Agreed. And I have every reason to be voted for... My performance has been shocking so far...

[Splitpersonality]

Ugh, feeling sick, had a bad night and might be punished so expect my already small post count to be lower (nless I post from school...).

Vote: Warman still quiet imo.

[Thermal]

what has Charmander done, Thermal?

He breathed fire on me...

[TinCow]

I'd also like to point out that it seems both you and YLC have forgotten someone who was invited early to your group and ceased posting in the QuickTopic after a while; if you're adamant on the possibility of a leak, then look no futher than Niklas.

Go look at the QuickTopic Methos, or I can simply post the relevant information here: Niklas' last post was #72 at 01:57 PM ET on the 21st of April. He only posted a total of three times, deleting one post and offering very little in the others beyond "this person could be a good recruit" and "don't recruit anyone resurrected". Since then, Renata, TinCow and YLC have all died.

I'll stack my chips with that, to be honest... I'd like to propose that whomsoever is in possession of the kitty currently passes it onto Niklas this evening. The results of that will be indicative of his guilt or innocence. Much better than the lynch for the moment.

Niklas is an Aussie... he can't betray the group because his goal are the same as the group's. You, on the other hand, knew the identities of all the Aussies and your goals have not been the same as ours for several turns now.

I recommend a lynch of Secura.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

The Wanax should never be ignored.

Vote: Crazed Rabbit.


Secura may have a point bout Niklas. Passing him a cat may not be the answer though.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Sorry, forgot to bold.

Vote: Crazed Rabbit

[Secura]

Niklas is an Aussie... he can't betray the group because his goal are the same as the group's.

Right, and you know that for certain how, TinCow? You have no evidence that he's still aligned to the Australians, think about it.

Recall that I announced my own conversion back to town in the QuickTopic; Niklas ceased posting outright and everyone died thereafter. Hmmmmmmm.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Agreed. And I have every reason to be voted for... My performance has been shocking so far...

That's just like you, Beefy, to say that. You poo-poo your own performance every game.

[TinCow]

Right, and you know that for certain how, TinCow? You have no evidence that he's still aligned to the Australians, think about it.

Recall that I announced my own conversion back to town in the QuickTopic; Niklas ceased posting outright and everyone died thereafter. Hmmmmmmm.

So, you're innocent because you admitted that you were converted away from the Aussies, and Niklas is guilty because he hasn't posted in the QT for 3 days?

[Secura]

So, you're innocent because you admitted that you were converted away from the Aussies, and Niklas is guilty because he hasn't posted in the QT for 3 days?

I'm innocent because I didn't do it; that is a fact, whether you like it or you do not.

I will admit that it's too convenient to be mere coincidence, which means there was a leak; Niklas ceased posting in the QuickTopic, everyone starts dying. There's no evidence that he is still aligned to the Australians, and he could well have been converted to the cult that was apparantly opposite to ours, something that you don't seem to have considered:

I think for balance reasons the game is set up that way - we recruiting masons to the recruiting cult, and the town can't tell us apart.

And while I lack any proof that I haven't been recruited myself, I do have a PM from the host (sent to myself and Centurion) on the 23rd, two days after Niklas vanished and our group started dying:

Secura: You are town aligned now. Not with the Australians.

I was sent that message as a friendly notice from the host regarding a post I made in the QuickTopic:

Since I'm still actively working with you despite being converted back to vanilla...

After receiving the PM from pevergreen, I posted in the QuickTopic:

Well, re-recruit me and you'll see for yourself! :P

I wanted to rejoin the Australians, for all the good it will do me to keep saying it. I wanted to be part of the group rather than a face in the crowd. -_-'

[Askthepizzaguy]

So, you're innocent because you admitted that you were converted away from the Aussies, and Niklas is guilty because he hasn't posted in the QT for 3 days?

I believe her, TinCow.

I've learned something about Secura over the past few games... she's not keen on betrayal, and she's not cutthroat as mafia. She might be mafia, but what happened to the Aussies is not in character for her. As evidence I point you to Shadow Fort, where she risked her head over a friend who wasn't even on her team, the Haiku mafia where she wasn't even keen to win the game because she felt bad, and other games where she's demonstrated what I might consider excessive sensitivity. Others might call it "com-pass-shun"

She's played and won games as town and mafia, so she's not a bad player, but she does have a certain style, and this is not her style. To a fault, she won't do what you're suggesting.

Otherwise I have been right and properly swindled, and I am looking forward to the day.

[Secura]

I've learned something about Secura over the past few games... she's not keen on betrayal, and she's not cutthroat as mafia. She might be mafia, but what happened to the Aussies is not in character for her. As evidence I point you to Shadow Fort, where she risked her head over a friend who wasn't even on her team, the Haiku mafia where she wasn't even keen to win the game because she felt bad, and other games where she's demonstrated what I might consider excessive sensitivity. Others might call it "com-pass-shun"

Ack, you have a darn good read on my playing style. O_O"

[TinCow]

I believe her, TinCow.

I've learned something about Secura over the past few games... she's not keen on betrayal, and she's not cutthroat as mafia. She might be mafia, but what happened to the Aussies is not in character for her. As evidence I point you to Shadow Fort, where she risked her head over a friend who wasn't even on her team, the Haiku mafia where she wasn't even keen to win the game because she felt bad, and other games where she's demonstrated what I might consider excessive sensitivity. Others might call it "com-pass-shun"

She's played and won games as town and mafia, so she's not a bad player, but she does have a certain style, and this is not her style. To a fault, she won't do what you're suggesting.

Otherwise I have been right and properly swindled, and I am looking forward to the day.

If that's the case, why aren't you voting for Niklas?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Because there is an advantage to giving the cat to Niklas, and seeing what happens. In my estimation the number of murders should go down whether he's guilty (blocked) or innocent (frame), or he'll be proved innocent.

He's not going anywhere, and while I'm looking for other examples of scum, tossing the cat in his direction gives real tangible benefits in all circumstances.

[Reenk Roink]

Unvote: Crazed Rabbit
Vote: Yaropolk

Skimmed the last pages and my god if Yaropolk has been exposed of any anti-town role than holy crap vote for him! Regardless of the legality of such a move, mistakes were made and it's over, we shouldn't just hold back on voting for someone who has a better case on them than anyone else. FoS: all players for not voting Yaropolk.

[TinCow]

Because there is an advantage to giving the cat to Niklas, and seeing what happens. In my estimation the number of murders should go down whether he's guilty (blocked) or innocent (frame), or he'll be proved innocent.

He's not going anywhere, and while I'm looking for other examples of scum, tossing the cat in his direction gives real tangible benefits in all circumstances.

And yet you can't control the location of the cat. We have two potential scum here: Secura and Niklas, and you're going to put the resolution of both in the hands of some random player who may or may not (1) even be active and (2) agree with your analysis?

Don't take chances, lynch the suspects. Relying on the 'cat' is WIFOM and likely to result in both of them getting away scott free. One is almost certainly guilty, so lynch them both and be done with it.

[White_eyes:D]

Vote: Yaropolk I am going with Reenk on this one....

[Joooray]

I do not like to take advantage of sportmanship issues, so I won't vote for Yaro yet. Dunno happened, but I agree that he should have the chance to speak for himself. Not sure about Niklas either, but it seems rather like infighting and so I'm not sure the town has actually a big stake in that.
Well I'm going with Seamus on this one. Vote: Crazed Rabbit.

[Winston Hughes]

Unvote: Crazed Rabbit
Vote: Yaropolk

Skimmed the last pages and my god if Yaropolk has been exposed of any anti-town role than holy crap vote for him! Regardless of the legality of such a move, mistakes were made and it's over, we shouldn't just hold back on voting for someone who has a better case on them than anyone else. FoS: all players for not voting Yaropolk.

Eh?

You're pointing the finger of suspicion at everybody? And for reasons that, in my ignorance, I cannot seem to fathom...

This isn't the first time your behaviour has struck me as suspect, so I'm gonna unvote; vote: Reenk Roink, at least until I get an explanation of what's going on here.

[Sigurd]

Soo I was looking for this Chamander who ATPG was refering to who had been exposed, saw Yasei's edits and figured it was about a particular player.

Reenk seems to think it is Yaropolk.
Joooray seems to believe this too.
If the cat is out of the sack so to speak, why hold back. TinCow removed himself from a game because of such knowledge which is the only workable solution. Ignoring or pretending stuff didn't happen doesn't work because you will always have the unwanted knowledge lurking in the back of you mind which is a distraction.

Act on it and move on.

There are many moderators in these games and I suspect we all can see the posts (not the post content) that are deleted. At least I can see deleted posts outside the gameroom. If there is deleted posts accompanying host warnings and "I am sorry" posts - they become double suspicious.

This is a case of designing to fit the environment and not trying to cram the environment into a specific design. You just can't depend on players not messing up. It always happen.
I am not host bashing BTW... Just factor in private reveals and public displays of losing one's dentures.

I can't play dumb. Playing with all factulties in "on mode" is the only enjoyable way of playing.