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Originally Posted by Sigurd:
Joooray seems to believe this too.
Personally I was only referring to Reenk there, I have no idea what happened and who did what.Joooray seems to believe this too.
Apart from that I support the point you make.
You can see my reply on the subjects. 'khaan went through and edited as he saw fit, told me after.
The town will play as it does, Yara may die for it, but if he does, the game will return to normal.
The town will play as it does, Yara may die for it, but if he does, the game will return to normal.
What I don't understand is Reenk acting as if he knows Yaropolk is the name removed from the edited posts, despite having only "scanned the last pages".
Also, I'm puzzled as to how it is that voting for anyone other than Yaro deserves the FoS, given that Reenk himself voted for Crazed Rabbit earlier in the day.
Also, I'm puzzled as to how it is that voting for anyone other than Yaro deserves the FoS, given that Reenk himself voted for Crazed Rabbit earlier in the day.
Originally Posted by spL1tp3r50naL1ty:
Ugh, feeling sick, had a bad night and might be punished so expect my already small post count to be lower (nless I post from school...).
Vote: Warman still quiet imo.
I was off the comp for 2 days due to crap load of HW, give me a little break Ugh, feeling sick, had a bad night and might be punished so expect my already small post count to be lower (nless I post from school...).
Vote: Warman still quiet imo.
'khaan actually missed a mention or two of Yarapolk from the quotes, so if you actually read the posts, you can tell.
Originally Posted by pevergreen:
'khaan actually missed a mention or two of Yarapolk from the quotes, so if you actually read the posts, you can tell.
Firstly, I know that the pair of you have a certain... attachment, but given your role as host here, I think you should allow Reenk to answer for himself.'khaan actually missed a mention or two of Yarapolk from the quotes, so if you actually read the posts, you can tell.
Secondly, clearly I'm not the most perceptive reader, but having reviewed all of the posts since the morning update, I still can't find anything that makes it blindingly obvious that Yaropolk is the player in question. Indeed, Reenk himself did not seem to realise it when he cast his original vote against Crazed Rabbit, and only came to that conclusion after 'scanning' those pages later on.
Hence, I'm puzzled as to how he can justify pointing the FoS at everyone else. Because in the absence of any such justification, and with a generalised FoS putting nobody under pressure, it looks to me like a rather scummy move.
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes:
Firstly, I know that the pair of you have a certain... attachment, but given your role as host here, I think you should allow Reenk to answer for himself.
Apologies, and that post I thought of either never existed or has dissapeared.Firstly, I know that the pair of you have a certain... attachment, but given your role as host here, I think you should allow Reenk to answer for himself.
I do keep my love and my hosting life apart though.
Zack had been chosen to be the next to be "thrown" into "prison". With the conflict nearing a week in length, prison was actually looking rather nice to a few of the townspeople. Zack, certainly had no desire to waste a single minute outside.
"Hahah! Safety! Oh well folks, I'll see what remains of you out on the other side!"
Tally
3 - Zack
2 - Yarapolk, Crazed Rabbit, Warman
1 - AVSM, Captain Blackadder, Niklas, Secura
If the following people don't vote next day phase, they will be WoG'd
Greyblades
Subotan
Yarapolk
Alive: 22/39
A Very Super Market
atheotes
Beefy187
Captain Blackadder
Crazed Rabbit
Csargo
GeneralHankercheif
Greyblades
Joooray
Niklas
Psychonaut
Seamus
Secura
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Subotan
Warman
White_eyes:D
Yaropolk
Yaseikhaan
Winston Hughes
Reenk Roink
Askthepizzaguy
Lynched: 3/39
autolycus
Thermal Mercury
Zack
Killed: 10/39
Myrddraal
Khazaar
Chaotix (lynched)
Sasaki Kojiro
Scienter
Sigurd
Methos
Renata
TinCow
Diamondeye
YLC
Wrath of God: 3/39
Lord Winter
slashandburn
Centurion1
It is now Night 6. Night will end in 23 hours, 39 minutes. (Midnight Monday 26th April 2010 GMT +10)
"Hahah! Safety! Oh well folks, I'll see what remains of you out on the other side!"
Tally
3 - Zack
2 - Yarapolk, Crazed Rabbit, Warman
1 - AVSM, Captain Blackadder, Niklas, Secura
If the following people don't vote next day phase, they will be WoG'd
Greyblades
Subotan
Yarapolk
Alive: 22/39
A Very Super Market
atheotes
Beefy187
Captain Blackadder
Crazed Rabbit
Csargo
GeneralHankercheif
Greyblades
Joooray
Niklas
Psychonaut
Seamus
Secura
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Subotan
Warman
White_eyes:D
Yaropolk
Yaseikhaan
Winston Hughes
Reenk Roink
Askthepizzaguy
Lynched: 3/39
autolycus
Thermal Mercury
Zack
Killed: 10/39
Myrddraal
Khazaar
Chaotix (lynched)
Sasaki Kojiro
Scienter
Sigurd
Methos
Renata
TinCow
Diamondeye
YLC
Wrath of God: 3/39
Lord Winter
slashandburn
Centurion1
It is now Night 6. Night will end in 23 hours, 39 minutes. (Midnight Monday 26th April 2010 GMT +10)
Killed 10, lynched 3, alive 22. This is going to be tough.
Well I did say that I would be more active so... um... Go team.
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes:
Secondly, clearly I'm not the most perceptive reader, but having reviewed all of the posts since the morning update, I still can't find anything that makes it blindingly obvious that Yaropolk is the player in question. Indeed, Reenk himself did not seem to realise it when he cast his original vote against Crazed Rabbit, and only came to that conclusion after 'scanning' those pages later on.
Hence, I'm puzzled as to how he can justify pointing the FoS at everyone else. Because in the absence of any such justification, and with a generalised FoS putting nobody under pressure, it looks to me like a rather scummy move.
Maybe there is something to you saying you aren't the most perceptive reader as I thought it was pretty clear that Yaropolk was the guy in question that Blackadder alluded to, especially made explicit due to GH's vote and then unvote. Granted, I skimmed and then formed a conclusion as I usually do and that has led me to being mistaken before but it is confirmed here with Yaropolk being the one we want.Secondly, clearly I'm not the most perceptive reader, but having reviewed all of the posts since the morning update, I still can't find anything that makes it blindingly obvious that Yaropolk is the player in question. Indeed, Reenk himself did not seem to realise it when he cast his original vote against Crazed Rabbit, and only came to that conclusion after 'scanning' those pages later on.
Hence, I'm puzzled as to how he can justify pointing the FoS at everyone else. Because in the absence of any such justification, and with a generalised FoS putting nobody under pressure, it looks to me like a rather scummy move.
As you seem to be vested in Yaropolk's defense and take great offense to being FoS'd (even as a group), I think you're the man I want after Yaropolk. MAJOR FOS: WH + retaliation.
You didn't just say "the way I'm reading it, Yaropolk is the one everybody's talking about" - you actually cast the FoS against everybody for not voting against him, as if it was blatantly obvious he was the one. And you say you got that from nothing other than GH's commentless vote... 
I didn't know whether you just guessed, or if you had some other reason for making what was, at best, an assumption based on the most limited evidence. But it's strange that you didn't mention that that tiny detail was your only source when you threw down your all-encompassing FoS.
On that subject, I can assure you that what you mistakenly see as 'offence' is nothing of the sort. It's merely experience telling me that the guy who tries to set himself up as the townie par excellence is often a villain.
And, with regards to your 'saving Yaropolk' comment, it strikes me that the buddies of a known villain are much more likely to try to get on his bandwagon, aiming to put distance between them, than to do anything that might look like defending him.
Of course, I'm unsurprised that you're looking to turn suspicions on me once I called you out on a pointless and self-serving FoS. After all, my actions can easily be spun as an attempt to divert a late bandwagon on Yaro.
But the question remains: if it was so blindingly obvious that Yaro was the badguy mentioned in those edited posts, then why did you fail to vote against him in the first place?
I didn't know whether you just guessed, or if you had some other reason for making what was, at best, an assumption based on the most limited evidence. But it's strange that you didn't mention that that tiny detail was your only source when you threw down your all-encompassing FoS.
On that subject, I can assure you that what you mistakenly see as 'offence' is nothing of the sort. It's merely experience telling me that the guy who tries to set himself up as the townie par excellence is often a villain.
And, with regards to your 'saving Yaropolk' comment, it strikes me that the buddies of a known villain are much more likely to try to get on his bandwagon, aiming to put distance between them, than to do anything that might look like defending him.
Of course, I'm unsurprised that you're looking to turn suspicions on me once I called you out on a pointless and self-serving FoS. After all, my actions can easily be spun as an attempt to divert a late bandwagon on Yaro.
But the question remains: if it was so blindingly obvious that Yaro was the badguy mentioned in those edited posts, then why did you fail to vote against him in the first place?
I'm away on vacation, reading the thread on the blackberry every once in a while. RR - I have no clue what you're even accusing me of. I went back and read the last few pages and apparently TM revealed something, which was later edited out. Can you tell me what that was since everyone already knows?
My apologies to the host, I'll promptly lodge my vote in 24 hours.
My apologies to the host, I'll promptly lodge my vote in 24 hours.
Yaro, TM apparently was frustrated about this game (I know this first hand - check what he sent me on my profile) and apparently revealed something post mortem that damned someone, strongly suggested to be you (despite WH not "seeing" it) and later all but confirmed.
Given that you seem completely aloof from the game though and WH's scumminess, I'm willing to second guess it for a bit. It could be TM just being pissed. Who/what are you?
Given that you seem completely aloof from the game though and WH's scumminess, I'm willing to second guess it for a bit. It could be TM just being pissed. Who/what are you?
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes:
You didn't just say "the way I'm reading it, Yaropolk is the one everybody's talking about" - you actually cast the FoS against everybody for not voting against him, as if it was blatantly obvious he was the one. And you say you got that from nothing other than GH's commentless vote...
So? You didn't just say "the way I'm reading it, Yaropolk is the one everybody's talking about" - you actually cast the FoS against everybody for not voting against him, as if it was blatantly obvious he was the one. And you say you got that from nothing other than GH's commentless vote...
Originally Posted by :
I didn't know whether you just guessed, or if you had some other reason for making what was, at best, an assumption based on the most limited evidence. But it's strange that you didn't mention that that tiny detail was your only source when you threw down your all-encompassing FoS.
Why?I didn't know whether you just guessed, or if you had some other reason for making what was, at best, an assumption based on the most limited evidence. But it's strange that you didn't mention that that tiny detail was your only source when you threw down your all-encompassing FoS.
Originally Posted by :
On that subject, I can assure you that what you mistakenly see as 'offence' is nothing of the sort. It's merely experience telling me that the guy who tries to set himself up as the townie par excellence is often a villain.
Cool story.On that subject, I can assure you that what you mistakenly see as 'offence' is nothing of the sort. It's merely experience telling me that the guy who tries to set himself up as the townie par excellence is often a villain.
Originally Posted by :
And, with regards to your 'saving Yaropolk' comment, it strikes me that the buddies of a known villain are much more likely to try to get on his bandwagon, aiming to put distance between them, than to do anything that might look like defending him.
And, with regards to your 'saving Yaropolk' comment, it strikes me that the buddies of a known villain are much more likely to try to get on his bandwagon, aiming to put distance between them, than to do anything that might look like defending him.
Originally Posted by :
But the question remains: if it was so blindingly obvious that Yaro was the badguy mentioned in those edited posts, then why did you fail to vote against him in the first place?
Various reasons.But the question remains: if it was so blindingly obvious that Yaro was the badguy mentioned in those edited posts, then why did you fail to vote against him in the first place?
Originally Posted by :
Of course, I'm unsurprised that you're looking to turn suspicions on me once I called you out on a pointless and self-serving FoS. After all, my actions can easily be spun as an attempt to divert a late bandwagon on Yaro.
Yup, this is partly what I'm thinking at the moment, thanks for saving me from typing it. The main thing though, is that you are exactly guilty of what you are trying to ascribe to me, i.e. that you are trying to make a case on someone and act like Mr. Town which is a stark change in behavior from your earlier and much less aggressive play. Thanks for coming out though.Of course, I'm unsurprised that you're looking to turn suspicions on me once I called you out on a pointless and self-serving FoS. After all, my actions can easily be spun as an attempt to divert a late bandwagon on Yaro.
Hang on...
So now you're suggesting that Yaropolk may not be guilty, whilst trying to set me up for the next lynch instead?
Instead, what I'm seeing is you looking for various ways to avoid engaging with the matter at hand (for example, by resorting to the cheapest of sarcastic come-backs: "Cool story").
Oh, and I've never really been set on making a case against you - it was just a matter of pushing to see what response I got from someone who did something I found suspicious. Right now, though, I'd say that you're in danger of making a pretty good case against yourself.
I mean, you could have just admitted that you made a mistake with what was a rather silly FoS. I reckon most townies would have done exactly that, rather than attempting to defend it in so evasive a manner.
So now you're suggesting that Yaropolk may not be guilty, whilst trying to set me up for the next lynch instead?
Originally Posted by :
Various reasons.
...is no kind of answer.Various reasons.
Originally Posted by :
So?
So?
Originally Posted by :
Why?
If you're going to point the FoS at everyone in general and nobody in particular - for doing something which you yourself did only a few hours earlier - then you ought to at least be able and prepared to justify that. Why?
Instead, what I'm seeing is you looking for various ways to avoid engaging with the matter at hand (for example, by resorting to the cheapest of sarcastic come-backs: "Cool story").
Oh, and I've never really been set on making a case against you - it was just a matter of pushing to see what response I got from someone who did something I found suspicious. Right now, though, I'd say that you're in danger of making a pretty good case against yourself.
I mean, you could have just admitted that you made a mistake with what was a rather silly FoS. I reckon most townies would have done exactly that, rather than attempting to defend it in so evasive a manner.
I've already responded to everything you asked, usually I'm not so courteous.
A lot of the stuff you said was basically irrelevant stuff about your experience and play and what not. I thought I was being nice.
As for me FoSing everyone it still stands, I'm unaware why so many people would ignore the Yaropolk accusation. I don't see the mistake in it?
I don't think I'm in any danger. Good drama though.
A lot of the stuff you said was basically irrelevant stuff about your experience and play and what not. I thought I was being nice.
As for me FoSing everyone it still stands, I'm unaware why so many people would ignore the Yaropolk accusation. I don't see the mistake in it?
I don't think I'm in any danger. Good drama though.
Ah, switching to the old expert-humouring-the-newbie routine now, are we?
Could you explain what those reasons were?
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink:
I've already responded to everything you asked
Well, it's true that "Various reasons" was a response... Not much of an answer, though.I've already responded to everything you asked
Could you explain what those reasons were?
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink:
usually I'm not so courteous.
So why are you acting any different now, then?usually I'm not so courteous.
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink:
I'm unaware why so many people would ignore the Yaropolk accusation.
I would hazard a guess that a fair few of them, like me, didn't even realise that Yaropolk was the one mentioned.I'm unaware why so many people would ignore the Yaropolk accusation.
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes:
Ah, switching to the old expert-humouring-the-newbie routine now, are we?
What?Ah, switching to the old expert-humouring-the-newbie routine now, are we?
Originally Posted by :
Well, it's true that "Various reasons" was a response... Not much of an answer, though.
Could you explain what those reasons were?
Was thinking CR when I first logged into the thread, and when I made that vote I didn't read through the thread that much because I wanted to vote and leave for the round (I remember YLC the most then). Came back to the thread and you know the rest.Well, it's true that "Various reasons" was a response... Not much of an answer, though.
Could you explain what those reasons were?
Originally Posted by :
So why are you acting any different now, then?
Various reasons. So why are you acting any different now, then?
It's about that stage in the game where I should get more involved. Plus I'm being nice.
Why are you acting differently by the way?Originally Posted by :
I would hazard a guess that a fair few of them, like me, didn't even realise that Yaropolk was the one mentioned.
OK, well I think that's too convenient of an excuse.I would hazard a guess that a fair few of them, like me, didn't even realise that Yaropolk was the one mentioned.
By the way, you said earlier that this wasn't the first time my behavior struck you as suspect. Now since you seem to be saying that you aren't really into making a case against me, I am kinda wondering why that is, and what those other suspicious things were.
Um... I'm already confused. whats this about a reveal?
That's enough out of you, Winston.
Finger of Delirium: Winston Hughes
CR
Finger of Delirium: Winston Hughes
CR
So... yeah... either Secura or Niklas is scum, likely Secura. You people seem to be forgetting that. I recommend that you pressure them both with votes tomorrow.
The end of the game's going to be major egg on your face, TC.
I understand where everyone is coming from with the sportsmanship issue here, but with the current record of 10 kills per 3 lynches, we don't have lynches to waste, and a good lynch now could save kill later, and grant us more time. What's done is done, but if you start making allowances to the mafia, where do you stop? How many townies have to die before it's ok to off the mafia.
Why does nobody think of the townies!?!?
Why does nobody think of the townies!?!?
Originally Posted by Myrddraal:
I understand where everyone is coming from with the sportsmanship issue here, but with the current record of 10 kills per 3 lynches, we don't have lynches to waste, and a good lynch now could save kill later, and grant us more time. What's done is done, but if you start making allowances to the mafia, where do you stop? How many townies have to die before it's ok to off the mafia.
Why does nobody think of the townies!?!?
Good point about the math. Unless some of the dead'uns were killers for other factions, we do not have many days left.I understand where everyone is coming from with the sportsmanship issue here, but with the current record of 10 kills per 3 lynches, we don't have lynches to waste, and a good lynch now could save kill later, and grant us more time. What's done is done, but if you start making allowances to the mafia, where do you stop? How many townies have to die before it's ok to off the mafia.
Why does nobody think of the townies!?!?
Suspicions:
Secura:
Niklas:
It seems likely, based on what was said above, that someone infiltrated and then starting mopping up the aussie/mason team. Secura is under suspicion for not having been priested back to normal townie, but priested to evil betrayer. Niklas for being perky in the QT the masons had set up and then dropping into quiet mode. Tincow, weren't you in there too?
Reenk:
Winston:
Bit of a urination match here. Reenk is playing with Winston to solicit infor/cause him to squirm. Winston is replying as though aggrieved thereby.
My gut says that we'll need to remove one from each set and soon. But which? Time to ponder and listen.
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh:
It seems likely, based on what was said above, that someone infiltrated and then starting mopping up the aussie/mason team. Secura is under suspicion for not having been priested back to normal townie, but priested to evil betrayer. Niklas for being perky in the QT the masons had set up and then dropping into quiet mode. Tincow, weren't you in there too?
Since I am dead and you are alive, I believe the rules allow you to better answer your own question than I can.It seems likely, based on what was said above, that someone infiltrated and then starting mopping up the aussie/mason team. Secura is under suspicion for not having been priested back to normal townie, but priested to evil betrayer. Niklas for being perky in the QT the masons had set up and then dropping into quiet mode. Tincow, weren't you in there too?
Originally Posted by TinCow:
Since I am dead and you are alive, I believe the rules allow you to better answer your own question than I can.
Lots to catch up... Most of the discussion seems to be around the Yaropolk reveal and the Mason infiltration seems to have been pushed into the background because of that. Yet to read the Reenk-Winston conversation.Since I am dead and you are alive, I believe the rules allow you to better answer your own question than I can.
Something I just realised, by the way; if I'm supposed to have given away the identities of the Australians to some other faction, should you not be asking pevergreen to WOG me?
Revealing identities in private is forbidden, and I was almost WOG'd for doing so in our QuickTopic (revealed a townie identity to the masons)... I would assume that doing so again would mean instant WOG for repeated rule-breaking. If you think I've been doing this, appeal for a WOG, do not ask for a lynch to be wasted.
Revealing identities in private is forbidden, and I was almost WOG'd for doing so in our QuickTopic (revealed a townie identity to the masons)... I would assume that doing so again would mean instant WOG for repeated rule-breaking. If you think I've been doing this, appeal for a WOG, do not ask for a lynch to be wasted.
Originally Posted by Secura:
Something I just realised, by the way; if I'm supposed to have given away the identities of the Australians to some other faction, should you not be asking pevergreen to WOG me?
Revealing identities in private is forbidden, and I was almost WOG'd for doing so in our QuickTopic (revealed a townie identity to the masons)... I would assume that doing so again would mean instant WOG for repeated rule-breaking. If you think I've been doing this, appeal for a WOG, do not ask for a lynch to be wasted.
Those rules does probably not apply to Mafia. We do not know the full extent of what you can do and can't do according to your role description. Just saying...Something I just realised, by the way; if I'm supposed to have given away the identities of the Australians to some other faction, should you not be asking pevergreen to WOG me?
Revealing identities in private is forbidden, and I was almost WOG'd for doing so in our QuickTopic (revealed a townie identity to the masons)... I would assume that doing so again would mean instant WOG for repeated rule-breaking. If you think I've been doing this, appeal for a WOG, do not ask for a lynch to be wasted.
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit:
That's enough out of you, Winston.
Sorry. I just got bored with being completely in the dark about everything, and tried to liven things up a bit. That's enough out of you, Winston.
I'll try to tone it down a bit from now on.
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh:
Bit of a urination match here. Reenk is playing with Winston to solicit infor/cause him to squirm. Winston is replying as though aggrieved thereby.
Did I really sound aggrieved? If anything, I'd say I was enjoying the urination match rather too much. I really couldn't care less if it made me a suspect.Bit of a urination match here. Reenk is playing with Winston to solicit infor/cause him to squirm. Winston is replying as though aggrieved thereby.
Originally Posted by pevergreen:
TinCow was sitting in his favourite chair, drinking his favourite wine. After a long hard day of discussion, it was nice to relax.
He sighed contently but fell out of his chair when he heard a voice.
"And how do you feel about that?"
No...no...it couldn't be...he made sure they couldn't get in! Please, he begged, let it be anything but a shrink!
A man walked into the living room holding a notepad and looking around. "TinCow my friend, how does this all make you feel?"
TinCow couldn't take it anymore, he took out his hidden revovler and shot himself.
Ok, so TinCow was a Scientologist? Does that mean he can recruit people and then take all their money?TinCow was sitting in his favourite chair, drinking his favourite wine. After a long hard day of discussion, it was nice to relax.
He sighed contently but fell out of his chair when he heard a voice.
"And how do you feel about that?"
No...no...it couldn't be...he made sure they couldn't get in! Please, he begged, let it be anything but a shrink!
A man walked into the living room holding a notepad and looking around. "TinCow my friend, how does this all make you feel?"
TinCow couldn't take it anymore, he took out his hidden revovler and shot himself.
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