How to win as Oda?

**gollum** · 04-05-2010, 16:46

Hi NordA Nobunaga,
there is no difference in performance between Portuguese and Dutch guns as far as i know. And by the way teppos (guns) are infantry units ;)

Once you get the hang of them, you'll be able to breeze through the campaign. In MI/WE guns are very very powerful - almost thrice more as powerful as in the original edition. For those who want to change that they can mod the gun stats to be closer to what the balance was intended.

Yari Ashigaru can beat Monks assuming you outnumber them, assuming that the honor levels aren't too different (not 1 honor YA versus 3 honor WMs) that you use them all at once (don't split your forces), make use of flanking, keep close to the fighting line your Daimyo/general, and shoot the monks some with archers prior and even perhaps during engagement. Especially honor 1 ashigaru that Oda get out of Owari, can do even better.

**A Nerd** · 04-05-2010, 17:12

Yeah, I flanked similar honor warrior monks with ashigaru, equal army sizes, about 4 unit a piece, he had all monks I had one archer and three ashigaru. Honor levels the same 0-2. I hit them with arrows on the approach and up the hill, engaged what was left with ashigaru in the front and flanked with the other two from both sides. I won by the way.

**Metalhead3004** · 04-05-2010, 18:09

These are all great tips, which I'm going to try out right now. Thanks for the help.

**ReluctantSamurai** · 04-06-2010, 16:12

So you convert to Christianity? Do you still use warrior monks? I heard you could still be Christian and use them.

ASAP. Only when I play as Mori. Yes.

I never wait for the Dutch. By the time they arrive, I've already got muskets. IMHO, monks are overrated for what they cost. Yes there's the whole 'carrying their temples with them' thing that supposedly strikes fear into Christian hearts, but my teppo and archers cut them down in droves all the same. I prefer NoDachi...faster, with better attack stats. You can produce both. If you capture existing facilities from an enemy.

I've also heard their is a difference in the proficiency of the Portoguese and Dutch rifle units, is this true?

No. You are perhaps assuming the Gun Factory produces better guns (the manual says they do...but it isn't so).

Never converted myself...too much of an infantry buff!

You will find the later campaigns as Oda, verrrry difficult to play without teppo. As I stated in another thread....the ultimate nightmare campaign would be to play Oda 1580 with no guns

For the most part rebels run at the sight of guns but with a good general or a bit of cavalry they can surprise you.

I have a little technique I use for taking down enemy cav with teppo. I first bait them with Cav archers who gradually fall back towards my waiting teppo (who are in 2 lines instead of the usual 3, are in loose formation, and FaW is off). When the CA are backed up against the muskets, they wheel and retreat through. The muskets then close ranks and fire. At such close range, and with a complete volley from all guns, the effect is devastating. The CA then wheel back around and charge, often in conjunction with another flanking unit. Not too many units can withstand this. It requires delicate timing but the effect is very pleasing, although not to the AI

to A Nerd:

here's an indication at how powerful guns can be (and these have stats altered to be as close to the original as possible)

From my 'Nobunaga's Ambition' campaign. Note the # of kills by the muskets, and the carpet of bodies on, and on both sides of the bridge.....

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And from the same campaign.....who says Ashi can't fight? Check out the kills racked up by my two ashi units:

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