How to win as Oda?

[Metalhead3004]

These are all great tips, which I'm going to try out right now. Thanks for the help.

[ReluctantSamurai]

So you convert to Christianity? Do you still use warrior monks? I heard you could still be Christian and use them.

ASAP. Only when I play as Mori. Yes.

I never wait for the Dutch. By the time they arrive, I've already got muskets. IMHO, monks are overrated for what they cost. Yes there's the whole 'carrying their temples with them' thing that supposedly strikes fear into Christian hearts, but my teppo and archers cut them down in droves all the same. I prefer NoDachi...faster, with better attack stats. You can produce both. If you capture existing facilities from an enemy.

I've also heard their is a difference in the proficiency of the Portoguese and Dutch rifle units, is this true?

No. You are perhaps assuming the Gun Factory produces better guns (the manual says they do...but it isn't so).

Never converted myself...too much of an infantry buff!

You will find the later campaigns as Oda, verrrry difficult to play without teppo. As I stated in another thread....the ultimate nightmare campaign would be to play Oda 1580 with no guns

For the most part rebels run at the sight of guns but with a good general or a bit of cavalry they can surprise you.

I have a little technique I use for taking down enemy cav with teppo. I first bait them with Cav archers who gradually fall back towards my waiting teppo (who are in 2 lines instead of the usual 3, are in loose formation, and FaW is off). When the CA are backed up against the muskets, they wheel and retreat through. The muskets then close ranks and fire. At such close range, and with a complete volley from all guns, the effect is devastating. The CA then wheel back around and charge, often in conjunction with another flanking unit. Not too many units can withstand this. It requires delicate timing but the effect is very pleasing, although not to the AI

to A Nerd:

here's an indication at how powerful guns can be (and these have stats altered to be as close to the original as possible)

From my 'Nobunaga's Ambition' campaign. Note the # of kills by the muskets, and the carpet of bodies on, and on both sides of the bridge.....

https://imgcash3.imageshack.us/Himg1...=640&ysize=480

And from the same campaign.....who says Ashi can't fight? Check out the kills racked up by my two ashi units:

https://imgcash3.imageshack.us/Himg5...=640&ysize=480

[gollum]

Minor correction: the WMs are supposed to strike fear to biddhist hearts and have no effect on Christian armies, according to the manual.

[ReluctantSamurai]

I stand corrected. Been a long time since I've read the manual, anyways

[gollum]

It has been long suspected that they don't, however the MTW engine iirc has this option, so its possible that it was present in STW too.

[Togakure]

When I play a gun game I just keep my monks and step up garrisons/secret police where needed. If I can have both, why not? That being said, nods work just fine in the shock troop role too.

iirc:
Unit charged by WM, -2 morale
Unit fired upon by arrows, -2 morale
Unit fired upon by guns (any type) -6 morale

The real power of guns is the effect on morale, not the damage they do.

[gollum]

There are other routes to take with the Oda, besides taking the centre first of course. By far the most ludicrous one is striking northeast. I mean, take out Imagawa, then takeda, then hojo then uesugi then work southwest (as hinted by Masamune), and leave Ise and yamashiro be until you have conquered the northeast. However, it is also risky, and requires fast action and skill and luck in battle. It is even riskier in 1.12 original, because of the high infrastructure costs (that do not apply to the AI especially for expert). I've had success in the past with this route - i managed something like total domination by 1552 (expert/1.12/120men). The first 10 years of the campaign were incredibly intense and epic.