Economic warfare?

[fomalhaut]

not to mention, damaging their MIC every.turn. is truly one of the most boring things i have ever, ever, i repeat EVER done in a video game. I couldn't conquer antioch, but antioch was a huge producer of elite spam so i just... ever turn... ugh... the nightmares

[Rhilanth]

Just an idea to help with the elite spam, and perhaps the economy. Wouldn't it be possible to go into the edu and just change the recruitment times for elite units to something like 2 or 3 turns? This could limit the amount that the AI can recruit and send, and may also encourage them to recruit other units that train faster. Yes, it would slow it down for the player too, but all elite armies shouldn't be the standard anyways.

At the very least it could slow down the elite stacks. Furthermore, with fewer elites the upkeep costs could be lessened and in some ways cause them to not go into the red as often and trigger the script into adding more money.

Yes, I know it's kind of a pain in the butt to do, but it might help.

[fomalhaut]

maybe it would take many many months to gather such a large number of veterans

[Rhilanth]

That's what I was thinking, and it could prevent or at least delay some of the elite stack spam. It probably wouldn't prevent them from spamming lesser units, but those are easier to handle, but still quite annoying.

I think I'll do some tweaking and testing on this to see if the idea actually works at all. Fewer elites could also improve the AI economy and even make economic warfare a bit more viable. (Sorry if I'm hijacking the thread)

[Ca Putt]

Antioch, I often conquer it when the Seleukid army is out of house and after that it "catches" all roaming armies to be easily dispatched by joint forces :D

maybe the increace of train time would help the Elite Spam, tho I'm not sure if it would increace the amount of Pezhetairoi etc. with the destruction of the high level MICs I often see Hords of panda pikemen and the like tho it also could be due to Pezhetairoi beeing trained at the same place.

[Ksifos]

Well it pays to combine espionage along with diplomacy, to prevent AI gangbanging.Making some good alliances before (if aggressor) or in the beginning of a conflict, seems to work well.Allied AI will (or can be provoked) declare war and create one more front for the enemy AI to fight.

But many times (especially when I am a BIG and STRONG nation) I am too lazy to deal with those boring aspects of the game and concentrate on battles:-P

Also I 've never see pure elite stacks, rather than mixtures with a 20~30% percentage being elite units.I guess you are refering to such when mentioning "elite spam".

[moonburn]

i doubt the ai can read into the waiting time to recruit so it would mainly mean the ai would be alot slower recruiting armies

[fomalhaut]

yes anything where elites take up more than 20% of an army is elite spam. that's because they compose 20% of 100% of their armies :P


and NEVER EVER EVER EVER has opening up new fronts EVER worked. Which is why fighting Arche Seleukeia is so infamously stupid, because the 7 front battle it is supposed to face NEVER HAPPENS if you play as an eastern faction because the A.I. collaborates basically understanding "this is the player, therefore he must die". So the AS will make infinite peace with every Satrap AND! Ptolemaioi and focus on you if you are Saba, for instance. Play a western faction, however, and watch the Arche fall in 2 decades.

I am playing Ptolemy now and i am the AS' only enemy, and when i played Pahlava i was the AS' only enemy.

It's a fundamentally broken set of campaigns :P :P :P :P