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    Morality Altered by Brain Stimulation
    By Rachael Rettner, LiveScience Staff Writer

    By stimulating a certain region of the brain, scientists can alter a person's ability to make moral judgments.

    When people hear news of a crime like a shooting, they likely need more information before they can judge the offender's actions as right or wrong — was the crime accidental or intentional? If it was an accident or if the shooter was defending him or herself, people are likely to see the act as much more morally acceptable than if it was deliberate and unwarranted.

    The study results show that stimulating a specific brain region interfered with the participants' ability to consider this mental state information when assessing hypothetical situations dealing with morality.

    For instance, participants who received this brain stimulation were more likely to judge as morally acceptable scenarios involving attempted harms — where a person intends, but fails to carry out a crime, like an attempted poisoning.

    Even though the researchers went into the study suspecting they might see such a pattern, they were quite surprised by the results.

    "It was still surprising to us that we were able to actually change people's moral judgments by disrupting activity in this specific brain region, just because moral judgment is obviously really complicated and depends on a number of factors," said study author Liane Young, a postdoctoral researcher at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. "So the kind of precise deficit that we found was really striking."

    Previous work had suggested that a brain region known as the right temporoparietal junction (TPJ), located on the brain's outer layer near the right ear, was involved in making moral judgments. These studies, however, were based on fMRI brain imaging experiments, which cannot directly test whether a certain brain area is involved in a specific function.

    Instead, Young and her colleagues used a technique called transcranial magnetic stimulation to directly disrupt activity in the right TPJ. The method applies a magnetic field to a small area of the head, which interferes with the brain cells' ability to work properly. However, the effect is only temporary, and the technique is not invasive.

    In one experiment, eight participants first received brain stimulations, then read through several scenarios and were asked to judge the characters' actions on a morality scale, ranging from 1 (absolutely forbidden) to 7 (absolutely permissible).

    In another experiment, 12 participants rated the moral scenarios, but this time the stimulation was given precisely when the subjects were making their moral judgments.

    In both tests, stimulation to the TPJ caused subjects to have trouble judging scenarios in which the characters' intention and the ultimate conclusion of the situation didn't match up.

    "They judged failed attempts to harm, where no harm was actually done, as more permissible, and accidents, where harm was actually done in spite of a good intention, as [more] morally forbidden," Young said.

    The stimulation might have caused subjects to have trouble interpreting intentions, and so they used other information, like the situation outcome, to make their judgments.

    The results were published this week in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

    Source: http://www.livescience.com/culture/m...ed-100329.html

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    Oh, great...

    This seems like the first steps towards actual mind control. If we can now control how people judge morality... what else can we control? This kind of stuff could be dangerous if it goes into further development and then falls into the wrong hands...
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    Interesting. And yeah, I read something the other day about how the developed a fiber optics laser setup that could stimulate just a handful of neurons at a time. And I've read about them stimulating parts of the brain and making people laugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro View Post
    Interesting. And yeah, I read something the other day about how the developed a fiber optics laser setup that could stimulate just a handful of neurons at a time. And I've read about them stimulating parts of the brain and making people laugh.
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    One of the authors of this recent article (Liane Young) had earlier published a related article "The Neural Basis of the Interaction between Theory of Mind and Moral Judgment" in the same journal (Vol. 104 n. 20) in 2007. It was only 5 pages and had some diagrams, which along with it's introduction attempting to be controversial by bringing in law and the philosophy of law was the only reason I probably bothered skimming it before quickly lining my bird cage with the print out.

    This new paper (the actual journal article not the news story about it as linked in the OP) quite typically starts with an introduction using law ("According to a basic tenet of criminal law, “the act does not make the person guilty unless the mind is also guilty.” - ), and is followed by 6 pages (1 of them is full of citations) once again confirms the inanity of the cognitive neuroscience paradigm.

    The thesis right before the experiment result basically said it all: "Confirming this prediction would provide clear evidence for the causal role of the RTPJ in belief attribution and the essential role of belief attribution in moral judgment."

    lol - "clear evidence for the casual role"

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    Sounds like research that can only have a negative application, really. One wonders if said research should be killed on general principle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaotix View Post
    Oh, great...

    This seems like the first steps towards actual mind control. If we can now control how people judge morality... what else can we control? This kind of stuff could be dangerous if it goes into further development and then falls into the wrong hands...
    no. thats not at all true. please sir, you will be in great hands, let us study your brain and we will prove to you it is not wrong.

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    I'm leery of any study that makes statistical evaluations with groups of n<30. Simply too much potential for sample distortion effects.

    Also, the methodology -- magnetic field disruption -- isn't very clearly explained in the summary. Was this a legitimate technique to approximate a given effect?

    Finally, in a world where so many people self-medicate or vent their concerns to the stranger on a train seat next to them, is it really THAT surprising that temporary alterations in the neuro-chemical function of our brains will temporarily influence behavior? And does that not also argue that other effects might be at play here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    I'm leery of any study that makes statistical evaluations with groups of n<30. Simply too much potential for sample distortion effects.

    Also, the methodology -- magnetic field disruption -- isn't very clearly explained in the summary. Was this a legitimate technique to approximate a given effect?

    Finally, in a world where so many people self-medicate or vent their concerns to the stranger on a train seat next to them, is it really THAT surprising that temporary alterations in the neuro-chemical function of our brains will temporarily influence behavior? And does that not also argue that other effects might be at play here?
    The sample was small, but from what I've noticed in psychological/neuroscience studies, samples generally are small - aside from potential under-sampling the statistics seemed all right from my cursory look at the paper. It's just the study makes quite large jumps from the results to the conclusions, even based on their paradigm (which isn't even widely the paradigm of neuroscience which still (thankfully) contains quite a bit of "covert dualism" (they would never be explicit about it of course) or at least mentalism).

    As you point out, there are many, many, many, more explanations perfectly in sync with the experimental data than this kind of direct causality the paper wishes us to believe (this coming from someone who doesn't even wish to preserve any sense of free will by the way - which is what I think most objections to the conclusion would be based on).
    Last edited by Reenk Roink; 04-09-2010 at 05:21.

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