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    Default Re: A bad thing? Colour Blind state + restrictions of freedom of speech.

    The context needs to be considered. Sure this guy says that non-white Frenchmen are more likely to commit crimes, which may or may not be true. If he followed the sentence with something like "And that is why we need to kick all them all out of France", then obviously a ban would be justified. However, if he followed it with something like "This shows how badly France is failing to integrate it's non-white population into French society", then the nature of the ban is cloudy. There's a danger here that France may be dedicated to protecting fairytale integration, where there are a few black celebrities on TV and everyone agrees that racism is bad yes very bad, whilst real discrimination and economic injustice carries on unabated. Real integration into French society is only going to come about when the economic opportunities that are available to white Frenchmen are also available to beurs.

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    i don't think the context should matter at all, as that is just a method for the state to allow freedom of speech when it wants, and not when it doesn't.

    i don't think your example would even cross the bounds of incitement to racial hatred, which is in itself a very bad law, and it certainly doesn't meet the criteria for incitement to violence, so i find it hard to see how there is justification in this case specifically, and in any case more generally...........

    it would seem that the french state does not want to admit that it initiates surveillance on blacks more than whites, because it is not allowed to under its constitutionally colour-blind set-up, so it uses its own bad laws to pursue the whistle-blower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Subotan View Post
    The context needs to be considered. Sure this guy says that non-white Frenchmen are more likely to commit crimes, which may or may not be true. If he followed the sentence with something like "And that is why we need to kick all them all out of France", then obviously a ban would be justified.
    Why would a ban be justified?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger View Post
    Why would a ban be justified?
    Because when brown people get enraged they turn into superman and that hurts our little white senesiblities

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    Quote Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger View Post
    Why would a ban be justified?
    You don't kick everyone out just because they are in a higher risk group. That would be like not allowing men to drive because they are more likely to have a car crash.

    I don't think a ban is justified in that case though. If someone's views are not worth broadcasting, then they just won't get asked in for interviews...well ok...I had to laugh after typing that out. But I don't think legal action is justified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro View Post
    You don't kick everyone out just because they are in a higher risk group. That would be like not allowing men to drive because they are more likely to have a car crash.

    I don't think a ban is justified in that case though. If someone's views are not worth broadcasting, then they just won't get asked in for interviews...well ok...I had to laugh after typing that out. But I don't think legal action is justified.
    My question has nothing to do with my opinions about immigrants, one way or another. I'm just wondering why he feels any opinion should be banned.

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    I follow the case on the French Media.

    The fact is most of the people in jail are from Foreign origin, from Africa mainly… So is it racism? No.
    As he didn’t say to kick them all out, he just mentioned a fact, to avoid what happened in UK about the search of Muslim is seen by some as discrimination in ignoring that the suicide-bomber were Muslim. So in UK better to waist you time in searching equal number of Muslims and non-Muslims than to focus on the potential murderers.
    Not that I am convince of the success of such search things anyway…

    Now, you can research why these French from African Emigration are in jail and not the French from Asian Emigration? So you will need more social-cultural studies and then pull together some efforts in favour of the ones who go for easy money instead of studying at school… But again, that is statistic…
    But do you need to segregate the different French by origin, religion, sexuality and others skins colours? No.

    What is the use in UK of such data: None. Perhaps it can be use to marketing food and clothes? More pork meat needed as more Polish? But in term of political action?

    Now, why the French are allergic to Ethnicity/religious statistic?
    As mentioned, the French Ideology: You are French, so equal so no need of such data.
    Second, can you imagine if such statistic and data would have been available to Petain/Laval//Hitler with the Jews? They did a pretty good job with the Communist folder…
    The Anglo-Saxon model (know in France as Communautaire) is not what French Ideology wants to produce.
    The French see it as divers communities living side-by-side but not together…
    The French model is the one from the Birth of the Republic, French because you have the French values… It is far more demanding than the Anglo-Saxon one which just request a good neighbourhood…
    Is the French ideal? No. Is it idealistic? Yes.
    That is why I prefer it, but as a French, I am not really fair.

    In this case, it was not an attack on freedom of speech but a politically correct attack on somebody controversial.

    By the way, all complain were withdrawn, excepted one…
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