Most Historically Accurate Films/Documentaries/Video

**Intranetusa** · 06-25-2010, 23:39

Originally Posted by TancredTheNorman

Agreed....
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Indeed.

Btw, Deadliest Warrior's Sun Tzu vs Vlad weaponry are up.

Vlad gets a gunpowder hand cannon and a giant iron halberd.
Sun Tzu gets a back scratcher. O_o

I really like to know how they came up with this one...

And I think almost every single one of Sun Tzu's weapons is either fictional, or anachronistic and didn't exist during his time...

I had high hopes since last week's Persian vs Celt was decent. I think Deadliest Warrior might be going downhill a la history channel...

Here's a quote from one of the posters regarding Sun Tzu's weapons:

"Claw- Never have I read about this weapon used in actual battle formations, the only place where i've seen this back scratcher is in kungfu movies. So instead of using the dagger axe, which was a STANDARD weapon for any army at the time you have an obscure back scratcher for a weapon instead. That's like giving a legionnaire a whip instead of a pilum.

Jian-That's a steel sword, Sun Tzu lived in the bronze age, bronze swords cannot be casted that long and thin unless you actually want it to break as one of the special features. Bronze swords during the spring and autumn period looked very much like gladius, actually google sword of goujian and compare them.

Repeating Crossbow-Whether this weapon existing during the same time frame as Sun Tsu Was supposed of existed is a question. The primary role of this weapon was defensive, i.e raining bolts from walls on top of sieging enemies, doe's Sun Tsu get a wall as a special weapon? The bolts were also tipped with poison because it lack punching power. The regular crossbow was much more common at the time and we know for a fact that entire formations were made up of crossbowmen.

Fire Arrow-Okay flaming arrows were used during the time for sieging, But it's redundant if you had the crossbow to begin with, you could easily light the bolts on fire and have the same thing, against infantry the fire makes little difference as the bolts/arrows were tipped with poison already. A shield would of made much more sense, as it was also standard equipment for infantry of the time."

**Ibrahim** · 06-25-2010, 23:49

Originally Posted by Intranetusa

Indeed.

Btw, Deadliest Warrior's Sun Tzu vs Vlad weaponry are up.

Vlad gets a gunpowder hand cannon and a giant iron halberd.
Sun Tzu gets a back scratcher. O_o

I really like to know how they came up with this one...

And I think almost every single one of Sun Tzu's weapons is either fictional, or anachronistic and didn't exist during his time...

I had high hopes since last week's Persian vs Celt was decent. I think Deadliest Warrior might be going downhill a la history channel...

Here's a quote from one of the posters regarding Sun Tzu's weapons:

"Claw- Never have I read about this weapon used in actual battle formations, the only place where i've seen this back scratcher is in kungfu movies. So instead of using the dagger axe, which was a STANDARD weapon for any army at the time you have an obscure back scratcher for a weapon instead. That's like giving a legionnaire a whip instead of a pilum.

Jian-That's a steel sword, Sun Tzu lived in the bronze age, bronze swords cannot be casted that long and thin unless you actually want it to break as one of the special features. Bronze swords during the spring and autumn period looked very much like gladius, actually google sword of goujian and compare them.

Repeating Crossbow-Whether this weapon existing during the same time frame as Sun Tsu Was supposed of existed is a question. The primary role of this weapon was defensive, i.e raining bolts from walls on top of sieging enemies, doe's Sun Tsu get a wall as a special weapon? The bolts were also tipped with poison because it lack punching power. The regular crossbow was much more common at the time and we know for a fact that entire formations were made up of crossbowmen.

Fire Arrow-Okay flaming arrows were used during the time for sieging, But it's redundant if you had the crossbow to begin with, you could easily light the bolts on fire and have the same thing, against infantry the fire makes little difference as the bolts/arrows were tipped with poison already. A shield would of made much more sense, as it was also standard equipment for infantry of the time."

well, if they had any scruples, the DW people would give Sun Tzu a 2 ft sword, superficially similar to the gladius, lovely scale armor (a la terracotta army, but perhaps cruder*; bear in mind a 1-200 year diff), and perhaps a chariot and pike/halberd.. now if he were infantry, pikes, halberds, swords, and of course, crossbows/bows would be the norm.

that's assuming he's a private-I have absolutely no clue what he had as a general

*hey, they want bad ******, don't they?

**TancredTheNorman** · 07-02-2010, 02:11

Originally Posted by Intranetusa

Indeed.

Btw, Deadliest Warrior's Sun Tzu vs Vlad weaponry are up.

Vlad gets a gunpowder hand cannon and a giant iron halberd.
Sun Tzu gets a back scratcher. O_o

I really like to know how they came up with this one...

And I think almost every single one of Sun Tzu's weapons is either fictional, or anachronistic and didn't exist during his time...

I had high hopes since last week's Persian vs Celt was decent. I think Deadliest Warrior might be going downhill a la history channel...

Here's a quote from one of the posters regarding Sun Tzu's weapons:

"Claw- Never have I read about this weapon used in actual battle formations, the only place where i've seen this back scratcher is in kungfu movies. So instead of using the dagger axe, which was a STANDARD weapon for any army at the time you have an obscure back scratcher for a weapon instead. That's like giving a legionnaire a whip instead of a pilum.

Jian-That's a steel sword, Sun Tzu lived in the bronze age, bronze swords cannot be casted that long and thin unless you actually want it to break as one of the special features. Bronze swords during the spring and autumn period looked very much like gladius, actually google sword of goujian and compare them.

Repeating Crossbow-Whether this weapon existing during the same time frame as Sun Tsu Was supposed of existed is a question. The primary role of this weapon was defensive, i.e raining bolts from walls on top of sieging enemies, doe's Sun Tsu get a wall as a special weapon? The bolts were also tipped with poison because it lack punching power. The regular crossbow was much more common at the time and we know for a fact that entire formations were made up of crossbowmen.

Fire Arrow-Okay flaming arrows were used during the time for sieging, But it's redundant if you had the crossbow to begin with, you could easily light the bolts on fire and have the same thing, against infantry the fire makes little difference as the bolts/arrows were tipped with poison already. A shield would of made much more sense, as it was also standard equipment for infantry of the time."

My point was when correcting ahistorical nonesense like 300 your corrections should be completely accurate, and should never have only part of the fact. A few of your corrections were just innacurate, and others seemed to be trying to indicate that the Spartans did not show exceptional and unique courage, which is something the emperor Xerxes himself disagreed with. The moral judgement against Spartan Culture also as I pointed out depends on who the comparison is towards and in what way you are comparing.