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[Kagemusha]

Its the same consideration also here in Finland about BMW´s. Fortunately my sister owns one and i love to tease her about it. Im quite puzzled that no one else likes Mercedes Benz around these parts. As far as i know. There isnt pretty much anything to complain about their cars.

[PanzerJaeger]

Its the same consideration also here in Finland about BMW´s. Fortunately my sister owns one and i love to tease her about it. Im quite puzzled that no one else likes Mercedes Benz around these parts. As far as i know. There isnt pretty much anything to complain about their cars.

Besides the reliability? Dr. Z is turning some corners but it has been atrocious since the 90s.

[Kagemusha]

Besides the reliability? Dr. Z is turning some corners but it has been atrocious since the 90s.

Maybe you should check your facts.Last years most relaible cars:

Honda Civic BMW 3 Series Honda Jazz Honda Accord BMW 5 Series Audi A4 Mercedes Benz C-Class Mini Toyota Avensis Volkswagen Golf

Most reliable car manufacturer

BMW Honda Audi Toyota Volkswagen Mercedes-Benz Ford Mazda Nissan Skoda

The reliability problems of 90´s are old news.Source: http://www.gizmag.com/most-reliable-...s-in-uk/13298/

[PanzerJaeger]

Maybe you should check your facts.Last years most relaible cars:

Honda Civic BMW 3 Series Honda Jazz Honda Accord BMW 5 Series Audi A4 Mercedes Benz C-Class Mini Toyota Avensis Volkswagen Golf

Most reliable car manufacturer

BMW Honda Audi Toyota Volkswagen Mercedes-Benz Ford Mazda Nissan Skoda

The reliability problems of 90´s are old news.Source: http://www.gizmag.com/most-reliable-...s-in-uk/13298/

I guess that depends on your definition of reliability and old news.

Mercedes-Benz, despite being one of the most well-known and highly respected European car makers, only managed to take 9th place. Still, it was a very big leap from its position last year which was 19th overall. Mercedes-Benz’ fellow German car marquee, Porsche, meanwhile took the survey’s top spot.

The problems were certainly not limited to the 90s.

From 2006:

The difference between the best and worst models is striking. For example, the least-reliable vehicle in our survey, the redesigned for 2006 Mercedes-Benz M-Class SUV, is likely to have 10 times as many problems as the Toyota Highlander Hybrid, which debuted the same year. Here are some highlights from our survey:

Of the 45 least reliable models, 19 were European, 20 were from U.S. manufacturers, 5 were Japanese, and 1 was South Korean. General Motors had 12, Mercedes-Benz had 8, Ford and Nissan each had 5, Chrysler and Volkswagen each had 3, BMW and Jaguar each had 2, while Kia, Land Rover, Porsche, Saab, and Volvo each had 1.

And 2007:

Mercedes-Benz, in particular, has seen its reliability ranking decline sharply — this year, the German luxury brand placed last in the reliability list of 36 automobile brands, its reliability level 123 percent below the average for the whole industry, said Paul.

“We have seen lows in recent years for European carmakers, but this was a particularly bad year for Mercedes-Benz — it surprised a lot of people,” said Paul.

Consumer Reports placed the Mercedes-Benz CLS, M-Class and R-Class on its “Not Recommended” list because of declining reliability. A third of survey respondents who owned the 2001 Mercedes-Benz C-Class V6 owners “griped about serious electrical problems,” the magazine report said.

The problem was that market realities forced Mercedes to shift from building excellent cars and then pricing them accordingly to building cars to a specific price point. It would be as if suddenly BMW tasked the people managing Rolls Royce with building a $16,000 compact car. Chances are it would be awful compared to their more experienced Japanese competitor's models.

As I said, Dr. Z and the company are adapting, but reliability is only just now improving. Considering cars are on around 6 year product design cycles, I'd be very wary of Mercedes. The new C-class was a big step forward.

[Kagemusha]

I guess that depends on your definition of reliability and old news. The problems were certainly not limited to the 90s.

From 2006:



And 2007:




The problem was that market realities forced Mercedes to shift from building excellent cars and then pricing them accordingly to building cars to a specific price point. It would be as if suddenly BMW tasked the people managing Rolls Royce with building a $16,000 compact car. Chances are it would be awful compared to their more experienced Japanese competitor's models.

As I said, Dr. Z and the company are adapting, but reliability is only just now improving. Considering cars are on around 5 year product cycles, I'd be very wary of Mercedes. The new C-class was a big step forward.

Well it was the new C class i recommended to Reenk.

[PanzerJaeger]

Well it was the new C class i recommended to Reenk.

And I was just answering your question as to why there might not be as much enthusiasm for Mercedes around here.

[Kagemusha]

And I was just answering your question as to why there might not be as much enthusiasm for Mercedes around here.

Well it is not as if Mercedes is the only car label with history. If reliability would be the only thing people look into on cars.We would all be driving toyotas, but do we?