EBNOM official discussion thread

[Macilrille]

Well, it is important to understand that the Suebi and the Suebi are not the same thing ;-)

As far as I can ascertain.

The Suebi was a Germanic tribe with subtribes.
The Suebi at large was a tribal alliance/confederation... whatever, of many tribes listed as Suebi by ancient authors and many of them with common material culture. Both the marcommani, Goths and Cimbrii were listed as Suebi tribes.

I cannot say whether I will be able to help with the mod if one ever comes to be actually made, will PM you.

But yes, the situation in Germania was very interesting (and volatile) another idea could be to make a Germania TW mod dealing with that- barbarorum to the limit ;-)

[Fluvius Camillus]

I've taken the liberty to make a team sig.

It's just a test, I can always make the background look much better!

So what is the first thing to improve.



Well it is quite long..

~Fluvius

[anubis88]

Well, it is important to understand that the Suebi and the Suebi are not the same thing ;-)

As far as I can ascertain.

The Suebi was a Germanic tribe with subtribes.
The Suebi at large was a tribal alliance/confederation... whatever, of many tribes listed as Suebi by ancient authors and many of them with common material culture. Both the marcommani, Goths and Cimbrii were listed as Suebi tribes.

I cannot say whether I will be able to help with the mod if one ever comes to be actually made, will PM you.

But yes, the situation in Germania was very interesting (and volatile) another idea could be to make a Germania TW mod dealing with that- barbarorum to the limit ;-)

I hope you will find it interesting to join in the mod if one starts, i think your knowledge could be indispensible.

P.S- could anyone give me a suggestion how to make a spoiler of the picture of my map? It's too large for a non - spoilered picture, so i have to have a link, but it's probably not as flashy

[Connacht]

I suggest these:

Winter 218 BC

Banally, the dawn of the Second Punic War, the factions would be the same except for the Epeirotes... maybe Pergamon insted of the teal kingdom?

at around 190 BC

The struggle between Rome and the Seleucid empire for Greece, I'd really like to change history and conquer the Mediterranean basin with the grey death after Magnesia.
Macedon is a nut between the hammer and the anvil, unless a skillful player should take advantage of the clash of these two super-powers.
A long time ago defeated Carthage might take the opportunity to claim revenge for the Second Punic War, or try to survive the expansion of Rome.
The Parthians should follow their historical path or even push their limits beyond the Euphrates.

Somewhere from 70 a.C. to 50 BC

This campaign should give to the player the possibility to replay the wars of Caesar in Gaul and Pompeius in the East, or try to change history with their rivals, maybe an outstanding Gaul that conquers central Europe or a victorious Pontus that unifies the Anatolian peninsula.
We could even choose to create two allied roman factions and script the break of the civil war (well, you might think that it would be too Romano-centric... but in this period Rome is overwhelming the Mediterranean basin, so it is still the principal and most important power of those years).
Qart'hadast, Lusotannan, Makedonia, Epeiros and Baktria might be replaced by the Belgae, the Kingdom of Judea, the Yuezhi and the suggested second Roman faction.

[Hax]

I've created a WIP map of 171 BC. It includes these factions

BARBARIAN
1) Sweboz
2) Arverni
3) Aedui
4) Cantabri
5) Getai

ROMAN
6) Senatus populusque Romanus

WESTERN_GREEK
7) Makedonia
8) Koinon tes Achaion (Achaean League of Thermon, Korinthos and Krete)
9) Pergamon

EASTERN_GREEK
10) Arche Seleukeia
11) Ptolemaioi
12) Baktria

EASTERN
13) Pahlava
14) Pontos
15) Hayastan

NOMAD
16) Yuezhi
17) Sauromatae

SEMITIC
18) Nabataea
19) Kart-Hadast
20) Massylia (Numidia)

21) Rebels

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

EDIT: Wrong map again?

Things I don't like:

- No Saba
- No Boii
- No (Indo-)Sakae


I think not having the Saba really isn't a problem. The only faction that would get there is Nabataea. We can set them as their faction creator. I would really love to see the Boii, perhaps we can switch the Getai for the Boii? And the lack of the Sakae really really bugs me. I had the Bosporan Kingdom in there as well, but I gave their provinces to Pontos, because of their continuous alliance. Tell me what you think.

[Cute Wolf]

Get rid of the Koinon, as Spartans is no more!!! Made the Indo Saka available

[Hax]

Check the map, Chen-man. Sparta is not a part of the Achaian league, Thermon, Korinthos and Kydonia are.

[Duguntz]

and late in the game the Koinon Thrakon should appear, as it was historically, around the first century AD

[Fluvius Camillus]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I've created a WIP map of 171 BC. It includes these factions

BARBARIAN
1) Sweboz
2) Arverni
3) Aedui
4) Cantabri
5) Getai

ROMAN
6) Senatus populusque Romanus

WESTERN_GREEK
7) Makedonia
8) Koinon tes Achaion (Achaean League of Thermon, Korinthos and Krete)
9) Pergamon

EASTERN_GREEK
10) Arche Seleukeia
11) Ptolemaioi
12) Baktria

EASTERN
13) Pahlava
14) Pontos
15) Hayastan

NOMAD
16) Yuezhi
17) Sauromatae

SEMITIC
18) Nabataea
19) Kart-Hadast
20) Massylia (Numidia)

21) Rebels

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

EDIT: Wrong map again?

Things I don't like:

- No Saba
- No Boii
- No (Indo-)Sakae


I think not having the Saba really isn't a problem. The only faction that would get there is Nabataea. We can set them as their faction creator. I would really love to see the Boii, perhaps we can switch the Getai for the Boii? And the lack of the Sakae really really bugs me. I had the Bosporan Kingdom in there as well, but I gave their provinces to Pontos, because of their continuous alliance. Tell me what you think.

Ok thanks for helping I however have some points:

Rome at this time does not rule the majority of Iberia. And from 154 to 133BC, the romans face the Lusitanian Viriathus, a cunning enemy of the Romans. This is exactly the time that EB's Lusotanian faction came into the spotlight of history. Lusotanians or Lusotanian confederacy would be a good factions here (the Lusitanians in this war were allied with the Celtiberians), So they should be used instead of the Cantabri.

I was busy with painting a map but I can only find maps of 200BC and 150 BC, in these years much changes, for examples in the easter part of the Seleukid empire.

I tried to continue my WIP map, but for some reason, which really makes me angry, paint suddenly won't use the paint bucket. It worked at first, a handy way to color the provinces, but now when I click to color a province, nothing happens. Edit: Something happened with the pixels, the paint bucket only colours per pixel instead of per area now, weird.

~Fluvius

[anubis88]

Ok thanks for helping I however have some points:

Rome at this time does not rule the majority of Iberia. And from 154 to 133BC, the romans face the Lusitanian Viriathus, a cunning enemy of the Romans. This is exactly the time that EB's Lusotanian faction came into the spotlight of history. Lusotanians or Lusotanian confederacy would be a good factions here (the Lusitanians in this war were allied with the Celtiberians), So they should be used instead of the Cantabri.

I was busy with painting a map but I can only find maps of 200BC and 150 BC, in these years much changes, for examples in the easter part of the Seleukid empire.

I tried to continue my WIP map, but for some reason, which really makes me angry, paint suddenly won't use the paint bucket. It worked at first, a handy way to color the provinces, but now when I click to color a province, nothing happens. Edit: Something happened with the pixels, the paint bucket only colours per pixel instead of per area now, weird.

~Fluvius

I had the same problem with my map, once the map was at full size it "bucketed" nicely, but when i gave the size to a half, it gave me only a few pixels... still managed to do it.

Also for the map of Hax, i think Pergamon has too much teriotory... I think they never got pas the Taurus Mountains

[Fluvius Camillus]

I had the same problem with my map, once the map was at full size it "bucketed" nicely, but when i gave the size to a half, it gave me only a few pixels... still managed to do it.

Also for the map of Hax, i think Pergamon has too much teriotory... I think they never got pas the Taurus Mountains

After Antiochos III Megas lost Magnesia, he was forced to leave all territory in Asia Minor past the Tauros. That means he may keep Kilikia, but the others were lost mainly to Pergamon.

EDIT: WIP MAP

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Note that I have not yet included Casse, as they can be replaced by a faction who plays a more important role at the time (IMHO).

~Fluvius

[Cute Wolf]

I tried to continue my WIP map, but for some reason, which really makes me angry, paint suddenly won't use the paint bucket. It worked at first, a handy way to color the provinces, but now when I click to color a province, nothing happens. Edit: Something happened with the pixels, the paint bucket only colours per pixel instead of per area now, weird.

~Fluvius

did you ude photoshop or gimp? if the former is the cause, it was because you set the anti alias on, and contingous area flling off.

[anubis88]

Well he said he was using Paint, not Gimp or Photoshop :)

Anyways, i'm uploading the first 2 posts as we speak; trying to make an intro or something :D
once Fluvius adds a map, i will put it in his suggestion as well